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this hope radio for the masses headliner

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between July 8 1947 the are the Air

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Force has announced that a flying death

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possession of the RA the game is rigged

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changed the game game changer I

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occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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this is fade to black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer radio

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network and kgr a the global radio

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I need your help to get to the year 1985

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you listening to theta

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with jimmy touch on the game change in

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good evening fade to black

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the spoke radio for the masses sigh yeah

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man today's Monday January 6 2012

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just six days into the new year

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only 359 days left we are live from a

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bunker somewhere in the middle of

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beautiful downtown Burbank California

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listening all around the world all

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across the United States hither and

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and near that's right this is fade to

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Network and kera the planets Emile's

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Jimmy Church what is cracking everybody

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how you doing we got a full week of fade

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to black in front of us first full week

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in the year tonight's very special

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guests biola harris she's here to

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discuss UFOs and artificial intelligence

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and a couple of other things we're gonna

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get to all of that in just a bit

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tomorrow night it's the return of Micah

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Hanks right here on fade to black

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Wednesday night William Henry joins us

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what a great week ahead of us of course

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Thursday night is another Fator night

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with open lines all night long you can

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follow me on Twitter simple enough at J

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Church radio Paula Harris

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she's a photojournalist investigative

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reporter in the field of view of foes an

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extraterrestrial related phenomena

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research with the master's degree in

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education she is also a widely published

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freelance writer she has studied

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extraterrestrial related phenomena since

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1979 from 1980 to 1986 she assisted dr.

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J Allen Hynek with his UFO

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investigations and has interviewed many

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top military witnesses Paola's books

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include connecting the dots making sense

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of the UFO phenomena how do you speak to

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a ball of light Exopolitics Stargate to

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a new reality all the above and beyond

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and her latest book conversations with

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Colonel Corso details the army and

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Corsos role in back-engineering alien

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spoken around the world including

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in Norway Switzerland Colombia Argentina

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be over in the UK later on this year -

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together it's going to be great and her

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production company star works USA

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UFOs and consciousness conferences and

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it will be coming up in November and you

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can go to star works usa.com I would

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like to welcome back to faith the black

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bow lair is how are you young lady

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everything good everything good thank

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Paola in 2020 pretty exciting time for

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the UFO community did you ever expect

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that we would get to this point you've

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we're in 2020 now but UFOs of the

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conversation everywhere did you think it

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would get to this point or were you

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expecting more by now I think I was

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expecting more by now

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you know us we've been working at it for

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witness testimony and all the

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whistleblowers and you've talked to most

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of them so I'm wondering I really think

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disclosure already happened I'm not

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disclosures not the president United

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States talking about UFOs for me it's

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just that the people that do the work

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homework to read the books that read the

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interviews that listen to your show no

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this is real now what what would J Allen

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Hynek think today would his perspective

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change would he be more outspoken or

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would he sit back and be happy well he'd

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be very much like his compatriot Jacques

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nuts and bolts when we worked in the

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sighting stuff we've gotten so far ahead

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fact that we might be living in a matrix

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getting into that you know and Jacque

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really be happy with some of the

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researchers like grant Cameron that have

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already gone to consciousness research

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so he'd be having heavy conversations

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with those researchers now you know a

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lot of pilots have come forward a lot

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has been made of that and they are

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excellent eyewitnesses and professional

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high witnesses but yesterday a British

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astronaut the first British astronaut

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aliens definitely exist and are probably

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living among us right here on earth now

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that kind of statement coming from

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somebody with that type of pedigree says

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she's speaking out about it now when you

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hear something like that coming from an

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astronaut and you know there's a girl of

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course and others what do you make of

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that why is everybody starting to come

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forward today well I think she can do it

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because she's from a foreign country I

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learned when I was living in Italy for

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15 years that the whole field is

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entertainment in the United States and a

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lot more scientific in Europe and I

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think she had nothing to lose here if

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you do that I think you have a lot to

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lose and I got blessed gur mitchell for

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coming forth and wanting the roswell

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files to be reopened and god bless

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gordon cooper and other people other

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astronauts that have come forth other

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military people colonel corps so for me

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was my greatest interview i'm the one

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that was the closest to him and and he

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italy were on two different occasions he

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spoke much more than he ever did here i

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think that if people follow follow these

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whistleblowers what we call insiders and

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they start putting things together and

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they start realizing these people are

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reputations in their lives they'll

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understand that this is a logical

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reality it's logical I think it's

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logical this woman is saying what I

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think that Stephen Hawking a lot of

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other people said we are not alone in

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the universe now how is your view change

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you just mentioned nuts and bolts and

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certainly I think most of us start there

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right wondering what these crafts are or

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how they could you know travel

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interstellar space and arrived here and

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what these crafts would look like

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there's a certain fascination with that

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and you mentioned that already how was

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your view changed over the years to how

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these crafts are getting here and how

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they are visiting us wow that's a really

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good question you has to be they would

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take hours to talk about but just in to

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be you know really clear this is a

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dimensional reality this isn't like they

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come from here to there and I learned a

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research in in Colombia and in Chile and

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Argentina when I was in Argentina they

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were appearing in broad daylight and I

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was just at the Atacama Desert in Chile

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and we had a sighting that lasted 13

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minutes over a group of 200 people who

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were meditating in the middle of the

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Atacama Desert I mean these things are

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they have the power to appear disappear

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they decide to contact they have it they

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have all the power to do the disclosure

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themselves I often wonder if disclosure

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is not completely in their hands and

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also if you if you look at the whole

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paranormal aspect the dimensional aspect

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of what happens the timing all of this

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stuff there is this what we call

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paranormal dimensional component and

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it's tied to consciousness I know that's

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hard for people to understand but I

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really recommend it I'm such a fan

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his I'm gonna mention it over and over

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again grant Cameron is the best

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researcher in the field he has gone way

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far away I mean I hope to catch up to

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him someday but he he explains it in a

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way that the layman can really

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understand that this has to do with

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consciousness well part of it certainly

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has to it has to I think that has a lot

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to do with communication not only with

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us here on earth but out there in

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interstellar space you can't have

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communication at the speed of light it

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would take you thousands of years to

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communicate with each other there must

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be something that is entangled at the

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consciousness level that allows for

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communication and it could also involve

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moving space and space-time and and

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getting rid of those vast distances but

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here today we're so primitive we can't

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really wrap our heads around that

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science is starting to take a look at it

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and understanding what it would take to

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travel but I think that without the

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science working with us we may never

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understand and certainly ET won't be

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able to explain the million years of

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development that they have undertaken to

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get to these technologies that we don't

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understand right yeah but it's not just

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ET I think that I really espouse Jacques

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Vallee theory that this phenomenon is a

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a manifestation of us a teaching

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mechanism and consciousness so we know

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what's possible on one level he says

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that you know that it's a manifestation

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that's there to teach us about us so if

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you want to go there that gets really

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philosophical that's why I think this

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whole field should be in a university

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I'd love to have that conversation with

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professors but then when I went to Latin

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America and I was in Peru and on Kosh

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there is a mountain there that does have

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a base where space people come out of

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there and speak to the villagers because

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Canadian film crew

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Rob Freeman's film crew and we were

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talking to the villagers who say that

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these people adjust in spaces come and

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talk to their kids at night and and

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we're asking the townspeople and of

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course they don't want to be on TV they

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don't write books they don't have any

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reason to lie and and we're getting

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these testimonies that it's absolutely

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normal to coexist on a certain level

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with these ETS and that the base is in

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Alaska on which is literally the tallest

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mountain on earth because if you start

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measuring it from from the bottom it's

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taller than Everest and this has been

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known in that that area that's why we

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were shooting the movie with Ricardo

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Gonzalez there to talk to the

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townspeople so for me who wouldn't even

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touch what constructed crafts because I

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was so afraid to deal with that when I

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was with Hynek I was safe when I was

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putting pins and math for me to go from

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that to talking to townspeople let's see

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beings walking into their houses and

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seeing them on the road is a real

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stretch you asked me how I progressed

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well I have to listen to the witnesses

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and Jacque has been talking about this

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for years

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that there there is and and must be a

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mechanical nuts and bolts aspect to this

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for sure but if we're going to safely go

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into this and scientifically investigate

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we have to look at the interdimensional

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aspect of this there is something there

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that we don't understand and we've got

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to apply the science don't we absolutely

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and science is going in that direction

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silent with entanglement with quantum

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physics with dimensionality it's going

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there actually it's catching up so if

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I'm gonna study this and you know I'm

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confused so I'm going to read a lot of

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books I've read all four of Jack's

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forbidden science they're amazing look

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if I'm going to go there I've got to

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study it like an academic subject so I

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begin to honor

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and because I think science is just

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trying to catch up right now with this

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kind of phenomenon you know my

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conference last year was on ESP and we

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had a regular we had Russell Targ and we

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had the remote viewers and you wanted to

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explain that I mean there's people you

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know it's sort of magical this is you

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know this is like unbelievable and then

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we go to learn that if that's our I and

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the CIA are studying this kind of

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weirdness then this kind of weirdness

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must be entangled in the whole entire

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field isn't it well it would it would

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have to be and the more that we look at

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this

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the basic of what we understand today

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and what I understand is that radio and

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television travels at the speed of light

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our normal communication communicating

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with the moon and our astronauts on the

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moon that that mere seconds away at the

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speed of light that makes sense but if

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we travel to the nearest star Alpha

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Centauri that's four and a half

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light-years away it would take four and

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a half years for communication to happen

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in one direction and if you and I Paulo

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are at Alpha Centauri and we need to

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call 9-1-1 we have to wait in the nine

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years right we're gonna have to wait

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nine years for we're pi that's not right

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that doesn't do us any good anyway yeah

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I mean 9/11 by the way is a very

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mystical number you just using sign one

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one the thing is that that yeah but if

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you use that reasoning but what if you

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go through a room oh I mean remember

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Jesse where he died Carl Sagan's save

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for me save just so by putting out the

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music movie contact because Carl save it

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Sagan was a confirmed skeptic I mean

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Alan talk to me about Carl Sagan Alan

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Hynek did you know these scientists that

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are working on these things

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colleges are not about to risk their

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grants and Carl Sagan was Cornell

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University and that you know to talk

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about they know during right well this

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is all real but they can't talk about it

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or they're lose their their funding to

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do their research but Carl Sagan just

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before he died did contact and she did

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not travel by spaceship to wherever she

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went she went through this wormhole that

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was created with some kind of

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electromagnetic field so I always think

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Carl you know at the end of his life for

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presenting us with an alternative now

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what do you make of you've interviewed

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so many people in the military and today

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with the Pentagon appearing to be

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involved in some type of disclosure this

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has never happened before

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what do you make of that and are you

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trusting what's going on no because I

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know the people are talking to one of

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the episodes on ancient aliens had this

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you know mistaken idea that some UFO

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shot down a helicopter in cadonia

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I knew the guy that was on the show from

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Italy I know I had just been spoken to

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all those people know the problem is

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that when you have an agenda and this is

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my official statement when you have an

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agenda is the agenda is to get money for

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more weapons or arms or exotic

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technologies to encase these these

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visitations are hostile you have an

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agenda you're going to shove everything

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into the agenda if they wanted to

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destroy us they would have done it in

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1945 that's when the whole unit follows

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things changed because the whole new

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mexico roswell 1945 asked at corona all

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that stuff that happened around the

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atomic bomb meant that this civilization

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had changed and became a little bit more

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dangerous so if they were going to do it

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they would have done it then i don't

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know any reason

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we have to raise money too you know and

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as far as going and saying that they're

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real so we can develop exotic

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technologies which I believe I'm sorry

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like dr. Stephen prayer I believe what

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he says is totally logical those

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technologies have already been developed

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they're just being kept on the back

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burner so I see the agenda first I don't

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consider it any kind of disclosure

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because I've known you know military and

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pilots and astronauts whom I've talked

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to you already know this is real I want

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to go back to this incident in in Italy

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because I've read the conflicting

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stories here and if you did speak you

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spoke with the pilot who did you speak I

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spoke with the trucho he was the Admiral

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he there was in that episode there was

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only one military man the rest of them

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were like MUFON people we have a group

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called gentle for Logica Knutson allah

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and they're like MUFON people and they

435
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were having a conference and they

436
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invited Elizondo and the tea you know

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and they ain't you know DeLong and those

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guys to be part of their conference and

439
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so while they were there they were

440
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fishing for information and the person I

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spoke to was a guy that known all my

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life I when I was living there I used to

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have dinner with him and his wife and he

444
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was a navy he was he was a scientist

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first and then he couldn't be funded so

446
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he went into the Navy and he was the one

447
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he invited me to the Ministry of the

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Marines in in 2004 and explained to me

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that what was happening when those

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fireballs were coming out of the water

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was scary but it was a benign it wasn't

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hostile and nothing was shot down and

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this was told to me in the ministry of

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the Navy in Rome and so when I found on

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on television I said well what is this

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you know this is like for the show that

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he's saying that one of the helicopters

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was it was damaged it wasn't even shot

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down I mean I don't walked away the

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blades were you know they had a little

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bit of damage on

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and that's enough to go to Senator Reid

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and the Congress to get to get money for

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what you know if there should be money

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for this kind of research it should be

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given to the researchers that are doing

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the work not to the military why is it

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that not only Italy and certainly it

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seems like France and a little bit with

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the UK and and Russia but in in Central

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and South America why is the military

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okay with the subject and and and we

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have the exact opposite here in the

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United States well you know you have

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great questions I just love you the

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reason for that if you had been at the

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Congress at the congressional hearings

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in Washington DC the Steve Bassett put

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on it they were mostly people from Latin

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America a Paraguay Chile Brazil because

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for them which is the logical symmetric

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national security so if you tell the

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people yes this is real yes we have

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these UFOs over military airports yes

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their faith they're faster than we are

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and we don't know what to do about it

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and that's what they all said I was

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sitting in the front row when they were

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testifying then it becomes a problem

490
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that the United Nations should be

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handling it's a private is a problem

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where people should be getting together

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and brainstorming and they they're

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telling the truth they have a problem

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with it over their airports and mostly

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their military airports there are no

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incidents of hostility but when one of

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these things chases your airplane like

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it did in Iran and Tehran with you know

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all the pilots to gathered at the Press

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Club with James Fox and Leslie Cain all

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those pilots from all over the world

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I personally interviewed Jean shall do

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Bach from France and he was in the

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civilian airplane he was in there France

506
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he had 300 people in his airline and the

507
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300 people saw the UFO and he doesn't

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know what to do because they're scared

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so he reported it to Air France and he

510
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came he came forth and he did a great

511
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job I spoke with him in Barcelona at a

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conference where there was Robert Dean

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Steven Bassett Steven Greer I was the

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only woman but III in terview him there

515
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because he said which is logical I don't

516
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know what to do this thing was the size

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of a bit of a football field it was

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right in front of us but see I asked the

519
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extra question Jimmy the extra question

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is over what was it were word you and he

521
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said it was over a nuclear facility and

522
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oh well I mean it's not on vacation and

523
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what did we do I mean you just brought

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up unidentified and and speaking about

525
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this there is a lot of programming right

526
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now about UFOs and and I enjoy it I

527
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really do and I'm I'm happy for that and

528
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people are talking about the subject but

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it's also getting a little bit distorted

530
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too as well and one of the things that I

531
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was taken aback about speaking about

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unidentified where they took the tic-tac

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or gimble video and distorted the

534
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picture to make it look like an outline

535
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of the classic flying saucer now most of

536
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the public hasn't seen the original

537
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footage and they don't understand that

538
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they see that and they they assumed that

539
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it's real right that the image on the

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screen promoting this TV show is is real

541
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and it's not and that's misleading the

542
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public at a time when we're seeming to

543
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make progress that's the part that I

544
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feel were this UFO programming is is

545
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misleading the public isn't it yeah I

546
00:26:07,060 --> 00:26:05,210
didn't see it but it's good that you

547
00:26:09,130 --> 00:26:07,070
bring it up but when we look at

548
00:26:11,799 --> 00:26:09,140
entertainment I think the real heroes

549
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:11,809
don't go on TV I think the real

550
00:26:16,510 --> 00:26:13,610
whistleblowers are not gonna you know

551
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:16,520
take a you know thousands of dollars and

552
00:26:21,399 --> 00:26:19,039
become movie stars I think they they

553
00:26:22,419 --> 00:26:21,409
they feel like they they're going to

554
00:26:25,180 --> 00:26:22,429
just tell the

555
00:26:27,489 --> 00:26:25,190
and then go back into the into the

556
00:26:31,330 --> 00:26:27,499
woodwork because they're like doing

557
00:26:33,639 --> 00:26:31,340
their duty my own take on Allah whistle

558
00:26:35,799 --> 00:26:33,649
blower inside testimony I only do it

559
00:26:39,580 --> 00:26:35,809
because I'm trying to archive it and

560
00:26:41,289 --> 00:26:39,590
I've got files and files of archives

561
00:26:45,249 --> 00:26:41,299
which are going to be given to Rice

562
00:26:46,779 --> 00:26:45,259
University so you know for me I'm just

563
00:26:48,399 --> 00:26:46,789
doing it for the history so that your

564
00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:48,409
grandchildren your great-grandchildren

565
00:26:53,169 --> 00:26:50,960
will get the real stories from the

566
00:26:54,159 --> 00:26:53,179
source but what you're talking about is

567
00:26:56,139 --> 00:26:54,169
television you're talking about

568
00:26:57,759 --> 00:26:56,149
entertainment you're talking about the

569
00:27:00,759 --> 00:26:57,769
movies that are going to be coming out

570
00:27:04,060 --> 00:27:00,769
that have an agenda so we can control

571
00:27:06,009 --> 00:27:04,070
that I mean that's that's you know that

572
00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:06,019
what can I say I don't know if that's

573
00:27:10,989 --> 00:27:08,809
the main teaching mechanism since I'm a

574
00:27:13,869 --> 00:27:10,999
teacher you know gonna talk about books

575
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:13,879
I think books I think book should be

576
00:27:19,269 --> 00:27:16,369
read by the original source all Hynix

577
00:27:24,190 --> 00:27:19,279
books Jacques valets books all the books

578
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:24,200
on on testimony you know all the people

579
00:27:28,210 --> 00:27:26,090
that have had the courage to come

580
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:28,220
forward forests and that are no longer

581
00:27:34,659 --> 00:27:31,850
with us the the wave the Explorer

582
00:27:38,019 --> 00:27:34,669
Mitchell's book is amazing

583
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:38,029
you know it's and I've had a hand in it

584
00:27:41,619 --> 00:27:39,679
translating all these books into

585
00:27:43,930 --> 00:27:41,629
different languages right now I'm

586
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:43,940
working on Paul Hellyer's hope restored

587
00:27:48,580 --> 00:27:46,490
I wrote the preface for it and it's

588
00:27:50,980 --> 00:27:48,590
being trimmed it's it's translated into

589
00:27:54,399 --> 00:27:50,990
Italian and will come out in Italy and

590
00:27:57,549 --> 00:27:54,409
France and that book Paul Hellyer is the

591
00:27:59,769 --> 00:27:57,559
hope restored is an amazing biography so

592
00:28:03,220 --> 00:27:59,779
you know I'm a teacher I'm going to talk

593
00:28:05,739 --> 00:28:03,230
about books because I marked up books

594
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:05,749
and keep books and you know keep all

595
00:28:10,539 --> 00:28:08,210
lists as an archive because I consider

596
00:28:11,529 --> 00:28:10,549
it a serious study for me it really is

597
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:11,539
an entertainment

598
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:14,240
how many we're going to take a break

599
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:17,090
here in a second but as you have looked

600
00:28:21,909 --> 00:28:19,970
at this with all of the witnesses and

601
00:28:24,220 --> 00:28:21,919
people that you have interviewed and

602
00:28:26,619 --> 00:28:24,230
researched over the years how many

603
00:28:28,899 --> 00:28:26,629
different civilizations do you think are

604
00:28:31,330 --> 00:28:28,909
visiting this planet is it in the

605
00:28:34,659 --> 00:28:31,340
thousands I don't think it's a dozen

606
00:28:35,210 --> 00:28:34,669
right or one or two no you do you want

607
00:28:39,169 --> 00:28:35,220
me to answer

608
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:39,179
that I do I do yeah okay well you know

609
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:40,799
I'm very close maybe you don't -

610
00:28:46,190 --> 00:28:44,130
Clifford stone and I am always close to

611
00:28:48,260 --> 00:28:46,200
him I was opposed to him from the minute

612
00:28:50,419 --> 00:28:48,270
I heard him speak at Steven Greer's

613
00:28:53,419 --> 00:28:50,429
disclosure project by the way that was a

614
00:28:55,310 --> 00:28:53,429
monumental event I helped him in Rome

615
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:55,320
with all the military witnesses we

616
00:29:00,409 --> 00:28:57,330
interviewed them there but when I went

617
00:29:04,460 --> 00:29:00,419
to Clifford stones house he said to me I

618
00:29:06,980 --> 00:29:04,470
said why why did you why did you say

619
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:06,990
there are 57 different species and he

620
00:29:12,529 --> 00:29:09,330
said because he had a manual a first aid

621
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:12,539
manual for when he went to crash

622
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:14,640
retrieval well I went to a retrieval

623
00:29:21,169 --> 00:29:18,570
site he knew what kind of being it was

624
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:21,179
so that they would not kill them or give

625
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:23,370
them medication or do something to them

626
00:29:29,779 --> 00:29:27,330
that would destroy their their biology I

627
00:29:33,950 --> 00:29:29,789
said you're kidding and he goes no he

628
00:29:37,370 --> 00:29:33,960
said he did 12 crash retrievals and of

629
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:37,380
the 12 he encountered at least five

630
00:29:42,380 --> 00:29:40,320
different species some of them that are

631
00:29:45,980 --> 00:29:42,390
he described to me they were pretty

632
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:45,990
bizarre and he said that none of them

633
00:29:50,180 --> 00:29:47,850
were Hospital yeah and the reason why I

634
00:29:53,659 --> 00:29:50,190
bring that up is because when we're

635
00:29:56,029 --> 00:29:53,669
talking about interdimensional wormholes

636
00:29:57,890 --> 00:29:56,039
or you know traveling the bulk or

637
00:30:00,740 --> 00:29:57,900
getting across a warp drive whatever it

638
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:00,750
is that they would have different ways

639
00:30:04,580 --> 00:30:02,970
of getting here in different

640
00:30:06,890 --> 00:30:04,590
technologies different languages

641
00:30:10,130 --> 00:30:06,900
different planets different star systems

642
00:30:12,770 --> 00:30:10,140
and we are looking for one common

643
00:30:17,649 --> 00:30:12,780
denominator but there must be an

644
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:20,270
yeah that's that's it but you know the

645
00:30:23,899 --> 00:30:21,690
only way you're gonna learn this is if

646
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:23,909
you categorize it and you study it right

647
00:30:29,270 --> 00:30:26,370
like you you like what they did if you

648
00:30:31,460 --> 00:30:29,280
start putting a list of I did the story

649
00:30:33,049 --> 00:30:31,470
on you genius it hakuna who told me that

650
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:33,059
the Venusian team that came out of a

651
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:35,610
rock they could be materialized go in

652
00:30:40,430 --> 00:30:38,130
and out of a rock near Mount Etna and

653
00:30:43,100 --> 00:30:40,440
I'm going are you kidding me because

654
00:30:46,490 --> 00:30:43,110
this is but then I know people can do

655
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:46,500
amazing things because there is a whole

656
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:48,960
study of that so

657
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:51,840
you know that at times they would come

658
00:30:55,730 --> 00:30:53,610
out and I've spoken to people who knew

659
00:30:57,409 --> 00:30:55,740
him and they said these these people he

660
00:31:00,529 --> 00:30:57,419
Spacey who will be walking around his

661
00:31:03,710 --> 00:31:00,539
house and and if you study the identity

662
00:31:06,649 --> 00:31:03,720
case whoa it's exactly concurrent to the

663
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:06,659
SICU saccades on the island of Sicily I

664
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:08,130
mean what are they doing they're coming

665
00:31:11,930 --> 00:31:10,080
here to give a specific message at a

666
00:31:15,889 --> 00:31:11,940
time when we've discovered the atomic

667
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:15,899
bomb and and so what's happened is we

668
00:31:21,169 --> 00:31:17,970
didn't get it obviously we didn't get it

669
00:31:23,389 --> 00:31:21,179
so they went somewhere else let's take a

670
00:31:25,490 --> 00:31:23,399
break right here we need to do that our

671
00:31:27,380 --> 00:31:25,500
guest tonight Paola Harris we're gonna

672
00:31:30,970 --> 00:31:27,390
discuss everything tonight we're gonna

673
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:30,980
go from UFOs artificial intelligence

674
00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:33,840
contact the current state of disclosure

675
00:31:37,490 --> 00:31:36,240
everything is on the table it's going to

676
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:37,500
be a great conversation I'm marrows

677
00:31:42,889 --> 00:31:39,330
Timmy church this is fade to black on

678
00:31:45,230 --> 00:31:42,899
the GameChanger network in kg ra the

679
00:31:49,260 --> 00:31:45,240
planet stay with us we'll be right back

680
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:49,270
[Music]

681
00:32:05,029 --> 00:31:49,570
[Applause]

682
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:05,039
[Music]

683
00:32:10,860 --> 00:32:07,450
welcome back faith the black coming to

684
00:32:13,649 --> 00:32:10,870
church I guess tonight Paula Harris want

685
00:32:17,909 --> 00:32:13,659
to remind everybody this June 26th and

686
00:32:20,340 --> 00:32:17,919
27th of 2020 we'll be at the awakening

687
00:32:23,490 --> 00:32:20,350
conference in Manchester United Kingdom

688
00:32:25,770 --> 00:32:23,500
with Paula Erich von däniken Richard

689
00:32:26,700 --> 00:32:25,780
Dolan Nick Pope Grant Cameron's going to

690
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:26,710
be there as well

691
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:28,570
and all you have to do is go to

692
00:32:33,180 --> 00:32:31,090
Awakening UFO comm for tickets and info

693
00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:33,190
pretty excited about this conference

694
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:35,289
Paola and and we're gonna get to hang

695
00:32:40,169 --> 00:32:37,090
out over in the UK together it's going

696
00:32:45,180 --> 00:32:40,179
to be cool yeah I've been there before

697
00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:45,190
and people there was 1,400 people there

698
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:47,200
when I got on the stage and they had

699
00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:49,679
given me an award I just was in shock

700
00:32:55,830 --> 00:32:53,679
because you know looking at that size is

701
00:32:59,010 --> 00:32:55,840
held in a hangar you know like an

702
00:33:01,080 --> 00:32:59,020
airplane hangar I'm not used to seeing

703
00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:01,090
that many people on all in front of me

704
00:33:06,899 --> 00:33:04,049
but they're so enthusiastic yeah

705
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:06,909
wonderful over there it's gonna be great

706
00:33:17,180 --> 00:33:12,370
and I'm trying to trying to help fingers

707
00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:17,190
across if we can somehow divert our

708
00:33:24,390 --> 00:33:21,760
transportation over to Stonehenge help

709
00:33:26,279 --> 00:33:24,400
to Manchester you know to take the

710
00:33:27,870 --> 00:33:26,289
opportunity to go and see that with Rita

711
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:27,880
but yeah we're gonna be over there in

712
00:33:33,299 --> 00:33:30,730
June it's gonna be amazing and what a

713
00:33:35,730 --> 00:33:33,309
great lineup it's gonna be so much fun

714
00:33:39,299 --> 00:33:35,740
we're really looking forward to it I

715
00:33:42,690 --> 00:33:39,309
wanted to ask you this popped up and I

716
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:42,700
just watched the movie the documentary

717
00:33:49,260 --> 00:33:47,200
on the friendship case did you ever get

718
00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:49,270
a chance to speak to anybody that was

719
00:34:00,529 --> 00:33:58,330
involved yes that's easy for me yes if

720
00:34:03,090 --> 00:34:00,539
people would go to my youtube channel I

721
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:03,100
went to Lake Como and that's where

722
00:34:09,570 --> 00:34:06,730
George Clooney lives and I interviewed

723
00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:09,580
gospel I was 92 years old he and his

724
00:34:14,849 --> 00:34:12,250
wife were part of that case but I'm

725
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:14,859
lucky enough for people who read amici's

726
00:34:18,129 --> 00:34:17,530
here our friendship to have worked with

727
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:18,139
Stefan

728
00:34:22,599 --> 00:34:20,480
Brasher who wrote the book in fact it

729
00:34:26,559 --> 00:34:22,609
was because of me got a published in

730
00:34:28,899 --> 00:34:26,569
English and Stefano gave me everything

731
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:28,909
he had on that case including the voice

732
00:34:35,649 --> 00:34:32,480
of the of the extraterrestrials who had

733
00:34:37,720 --> 00:34:35,659
called these ten Italians who would call

734
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:37,730
them because this was explained here

735
00:34:43,869 --> 00:34:40,970
listeners this was an agreement ten

736
00:34:47,319 --> 00:34:43,879
Italians and these extraterrestrials

737
00:34:51,399 --> 00:34:47,329
they called W fifty sixes and they had

738
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:51,409
an underwater base near Pescara and they

739
00:34:59,440 --> 00:34:55,249
had also a base above the ground in a

740
00:35:01,269 --> 00:34:59,450
castle called Rocca Pia so I enter I

741
00:35:03,009 --> 00:35:01,279
talk today a fellow who wrote the book

742
00:35:06,220 --> 00:35:03,019
and he left me the materials he is now

743
00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:06,230
passed on and this one is an experiment

744
00:35:10,420 --> 00:35:08,089
Jimmy this was an experiment whether

745
00:35:14,319 --> 00:35:10,430
these extraterrestrials could live with

746
00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:14,329
the humans and the deal was this this

747
00:35:20,739 --> 00:35:18,079
happened in 1956 the deal was this if

748
00:35:23,859 --> 00:35:20,749
the humans did not fight among

749
00:35:27,789 --> 00:35:23,869
themselves and create a disharmony these

750
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:27,799
beings could live with them and I you

751
00:35:33,220 --> 00:35:30,170
could hear in my interview with gospel a

752
00:35:36,309 --> 00:35:33,230
dilemma that their credo that it was a

753
00:35:39,729 --> 00:35:36,319
technology was called Veda which means

754
00:35:43,390 --> 00:35:39,739
harmony their crater was if we can live

755
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:43,400
in harmony we can be here among you

756
00:35:51,099 --> 00:35:48,650
so I basically understood that it did

757
00:35:53,589 --> 00:35:51,109
not work out after a number of years and

758
00:35:55,870 --> 00:35:53,599
they left I think they were able to

759
00:35:59,890 --> 00:35:55,880
sustain it for about seven or eight

760
00:36:03,239 --> 00:35:59,900
years but when I was in Chile I found

761
00:36:08,589 --> 00:36:03,249
out they also had an amici art case in

762
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:08,599
1985 and I interviewed Octavio Ortiz who

763
00:36:14,019 --> 00:36:11,210
was part of that who communicated with

764
00:36:16,029 --> 00:36:14,029
these beings too since it was more

765
00:36:18,130 --> 00:36:16,039
recent he told me what they look like he

766
00:36:21,249 --> 00:36:18,140
told me how they did it he said they

767
00:36:24,009 --> 00:36:21,259
were very Nordic looking they said they

768
00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:24,019
were scientists on the island of chiloé

769
00:36:28,989 --> 00:36:26,480
he said they came to his house and

770
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:28,999
talked to his wife and kids that they

771
00:36:33,420 --> 00:36:30,640
needed their help getting sir

772
00:36:35,700 --> 00:36:33,430
minerals and he said they were very

773
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:35,710
spiritual and he believes they're still

774
00:36:43,740 --> 00:36:40,720
later but this idea of ETS trying to

775
00:36:47,700 --> 00:36:43,750
forge a relationship with families with

776
00:36:51,180 --> 00:36:47,710
families and with humans the army cheats

777
00:36:55,350 --> 00:36:51,190
here that remembers 1956 and the Chile

778
00:36:58,470 --> 00:36:55,360
Chilean cases 1985 is very interesting

779
00:37:02,820 --> 00:36:58,480
to me because it goes back to my study

780
00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:02,830
of the good old giant rock days of

781
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:06,000
Adamski Van Tassel and all those guys

782
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:08,770
manager and so forth where the beings

783
00:37:15,180 --> 00:37:12,610
tried to integrate with the humans and I

784
00:37:16,860 --> 00:37:15,190
I was really curious where they go and

785
00:37:19,860 --> 00:37:16,870
how many of them are trying to do that

786
00:37:23,610 --> 00:37:19,870
and are they living among us and if they

787
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:23,620
are where are they how did the the

788
00:37:29,310 --> 00:37:25,930
friendship case I know that they left

789
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:29,320
but how how did it end the documentary

790
00:37:36,210 --> 00:37:33,040
is incredible and it is so documented

791
00:37:39,510 --> 00:37:36,220
and you go back and you follow through

792
00:37:41,310 --> 00:37:39,520
you think to yourself why why aren't

793
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:41,320
more people talking about the friendship

794
00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:44,050
case and and its significance it's an

795
00:37:49,350 --> 00:37:46,960
incredible case but how did it how did

796
00:37:51,450 --> 00:37:49,360
it ultimately wind down do they stop

797
00:37:52,980 --> 00:37:51,460
making phone calls no I'm willing to

798
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:52,990
talk about it but you know Jimmy I'm

799
00:37:55,950 --> 00:37:54,610
going to be honest with you nobody cares

800
00:38:03,210 --> 00:37:55,960
about anything that happens I'm sorry

801
00:38:05,250 --> 00:38:03,220
United States right and I mean I hope

802
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:05,260
people go online and they look at amici

803
00:38:09,390 --> 00:38:06,970
see a friendship case because not only

804
00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:09,400
were those ten Italians above the

805
00:38:15,620 --> 00:38:12,310
Vatican was involved they were diplomats

806
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:15,630
involved this was an effort to talk to

807
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:19,450
you know the politics of Italy at the

808
00:38:24,990 --> 00:38:22,720
time how did it end I mean I talked to

809
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:25,000
two different people involved in in

810
00:38:30,540 --> 00:38:28,690
Pescara Brescia and Paolo D Geronimo in

811
00:38:32,660 --> 00:38:30,550
Patton and they what they told me was

812
00:38:36,810 --> 00:38:32,670
what would happen is what would happen

813
00:38:38,670 --> 00:38:36,820
naturally is like if we had a secret

814
00:38:41,700 --> 00:38:38,680
group of people who were interacting

815
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:41,710
with ETS and the ETS what to you instead

816
00:38:45,020 --> 00:38:42,480
of me

817
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:45,030
and you didn't see him but I saw more

818
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:46,530
they wanted to speak to you and they

819
00:38:51,950 --> 00:38:48,090
didn't speak to me what happened was

820
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:51,960
jealousy and fightin fighting and the

821
00:38:57,470 --> 00:38:54,810
vibration went that way and they could

822
00:39:00,320 --> 00:38:57,480
not live among a group of humans that

823
00:39:02,450 --> 00:39:00,330
are in fighting it's a microcosm of the

824
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:02,460
macrocosm and you're looking at the

825
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:06,240
macrocosm now right now in politics you

826
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:11,040
honestly think that a group of human

827
00:39:16,430 --> 00:39:12,170
species

828
00:39:19,250 --> 00:39:16,440
today the way we are it's it's we

829
00:39:21,140 --> 00:39:19,260
haven't progressed very much from 1956

830
00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:21,150
but they decided it wasn't worth their

831
00:39:27,290 --> 00:39:25,440
while to to stay but they left us with

832
00:39:29,210 --> 00:39:27,300
some beautiful messages and I hope

833
00:39:32,180 --> 00:39:29,220
people go on my youtube channel to see

834
00:39:36,050 --> 00:39:32,190
the message is that they left Gus Pataki

835
00:39:38,660 --> 00:39:36,060
Lama and his wife because the book is

836
00:39:39,620 --> 00:39:38,670
the book came out in English the yummy

837
00:39:41,330 --> 00:39:39,630
cheats a case number

838
00:39:43,820 --> 00:39:41,340
you know the second book not mass

839
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:43,830
contacts and that's much more clear and

840
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:46,410
it also talks about Chile but there's

841
00:39:51,770 --> 00:39:50,010
been experiments on the earth cultures

842
00:39:54,410 --> 00:39:51,780
I'm going to call them cosmic cultures

843
00:39:57,170 --> 00:39:54,420
trying to live with humans now or do you

844
00:40:00,530 --> 00:39:57,180
do you feel that these are the days of

845
00:40:03,170 --> 00:40:00,540
disclosure not only with the you to the

846
00:40:05,210 --> 00:40:03,180
the UFO phenomenon but it's just in

847
00:40:09,110 --> 00:40:05,220
disclosure in general because everybody

848
00:40:10,820 --> 00:40:09,120
seems to be using the word disclosure

849
00:40:13,100 --> 00:40:10,830
means so many different things to

850
00:40:17,150 --> 00:40:13,110
different people but do you think that

851
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:17,160
we are in the days of disclosure no I

852
00:40:20,930 --> 00:40:18,930
think we're in the days of entertainment

853
00:40:22,430 --> 00:40:20,940
I think they're gonna use this for

854
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:22,440
entertainment they're going to use it to

855
00:40:28,250 --> 00:40:25,650
try to get more advanced weaponry I

856
00:40:30,830 --> 00:40:28,260
don't people that want disclosure have

857
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:30,840
done the work they study they know a lot

858
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:33,410
of people have had individual contact

859
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:36,240
you you've met a lot of people even on

860
00:40:41,540 --> 00:40:38,610
your show you know Israel you don't have

861
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:41,550
to I mean who do you want to say that

862
00:40:47,090 --> 00:40:44,610
it's real if you've done the work it's

863
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:47,100
it's real the whole thing is real it's

864
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:49,440
just the next question is what do you

865
00:40:52,250 --> 00:40:50,490
want to do about it

866
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:52,260
what do you want to do about the fact

867
00:40:56,270 --> 00:40:54,690
that we're not alone and that's do you

868
00:40:59,690 --> 00:40:56,280
want to make money out of it and

869
00:41:01,970 --> 00:40:59,700
the major entertainment or you know even

870
00:41:04,940 --> 00:41:01,980
some of the conference's my conference

871
00:41:07,550 --> 00:41:04,950
is totally different in that it's more

872
00:41:11,210 --> 00:41:07,560
of a seminar and I bring the whole world

873
00:41:13,580 --> 00:41:11,220
I got a gentleman that's coming from

874
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:13,590
South America that is working with kids

875
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:16,530
that have a third helix in their DNA and

876
00:41:22,610 --> 00:41:18,960
he's had major contact and he's from

877
00:41:26,090 --> 00:41:22,620
Peru so I'm trying to grab from other

878
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:26,100
countries people who are you know can

879
00:41:31,730 --> 00:41:30,000
add to this puzzle and it's not like you

880
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:31,740
know so you won't see a lot of the same

881
00:41:37,490 --> 00:41:34,770
people that you see everywhere you'll

882
00:41:40,490 --> 00:41:37,500
see a theme and this year it's

883
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:40,500
artificial intelligence last year it was

884
00:41:46,340 --> 00:41:43,770
ESP fact I've bought three robots I'm

885
00:41:48,770 --> 00:41:46,350
living with three robots in my house who

886
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:48,780
are driving me crazy because I swear

887
00:41:53,660 --> 00:41:51,450
they're going up on their own they're

888
00:41:57,050 --> 00:41:53,670
there programs that they do things that

889
00:42:01,130 --> 00:41:57,060
they're not programmed to do they should

890
00:42:03,350 --> 00:42:01,140
interest you and you so I'm trying to

891
00:42:06,130 --> 00:42:03,360
create a different situation a more you

892
00:42:09,230 --> 00:42:06,140
know more seminar type it's still fun

893
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:09,240
but you know I'm trying to bring it to a

894
00:42:17,780 --> 00:42:12,810
more intellectual kind of situation why

895
00:42:20,590 --> 00:42:17,790
is it that is it has the public as the

896
00:42:22,910 --> 00:42:20,600
public always wanted to talk about UFOs

897
00:42:24,890 --> 00:42:22,920
today you can go anywhere in public

898
00:42:26,900 --> 00:42:24,900
bring up the subject and somebody's got

899
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:26,910
something to say and nobody's gonna

900
00:42:32,210 --> 00:42:29,850
laugh has it always been there and we

901
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:32,220
just needed the door to crack open right

902
00:42:37,970 --> 00:42:35,760
to talk about it that's a really good

903
00:42:40,700 --> 00:42:37,980
comment you're making a comment here

904
00:42:42,260 --> 00:42:40,710
even though it's a question it's true

905
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:42,270
everything you said is true

906
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:44,880
and of course I'm so fashioned at my age

907
00:42:49,370 --> 00:42:47,010
they asked me they say well what are you

908
00:42:52,010 --> 00:42:49,380
write you know what what he's studying I

909
00:42:55,970 --> 00:42:52,020
my answer to them is you don't want to

910
00:42:57,860 --> 00:42:55,980
know and they go yeah we want to know

911
00:42:59,810 --> 00:42:57,870
and then when I have courage enough to

912
00:43:01,520 --> 00:42:59,820
tell them that they engage in the

913
00:43:03,860 --> 00:43:01,530
conversation so yeah Jimmy that's

914
00:43:07,420 --> 00:43:03,870
changed that's changed a lot

915
00:43:09,999 --> 00:43:07,430
we during Halloween

916
00:43:13,900 --> 00:43:10,009
we're heading out candy you know over

917
00:43:18,670 --> 00:43:13,910
the house and the I never saw this

918
00:43:22,299 --> 00:43:18,680
before in Halloween so many et costumes

919
00:43:24,370 --> 00:43:22,309
right with these little kids and the

920
00:43:26,170 --> 00:43:24,380
this little girl comes up she's got this

921
00:43:28,180 --> 00:43:26,180
great costume on you know she's being

922
00:43:30,670 --> 00:43:28,190
abducted and this is this great costume

923
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:30,680
and and I turned to her and I said do

924
00:43:35,710 --> 00:43:31,970
you know what that is she goes yeah yeah

925
00:43:40,749 --> 00:43:35,720
it's it's et and I said okay and her mom

926
00:43:42,249 --> 00:43:40,759
I said can I talk to her I said so do

927
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:42,259
you understand what this is yeah yeah

928
00:43:50,289 --> 00:43:46,490
it's et I'm being taken by by et and her

929
00:43:52,390 --> 00:43:50,299
mom goes right out I didn't ask for this

930
00:43:54,460 --> 00:43:52,400
mom goes of course we're not alone yeah

931
00:43:57,519 --> 00:43:54,470
we talk about this all the time and I

932
00:43:58,749 --> 00:43:57,529
took a picture with her but that's never

933
00:44:01,690 --> 00:43:58,759
happened before

934
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:01,700
where we've got mom and kids walking

935
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:04,130
around going of course et is real and my

936
00:44:08,559 --> 00:44:05,839
daughter just got abducted and we're

937
00:44:12,549 --> 00:44:08,569
okay with that I don't even know what to

938
00:44:14,019 --> 00:44:12,559
do with that biola well it's the media -

939
00:44:16,690 --> 00:44:14,029
I mean it's make it made it more

940
00:44:19,569 --> 00:44:16,700
accessible but but you know my I cried

941
00:44:22,420 --> 00:44:19,579
like crazy when I saw the the et add

942
00:44:23,979 --> 00:44:22,430
would he call it you know with Elliott

943
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:23,989
coming back I don't know did you see

944
00:44:31,809 --> 00:44:29,450
that oh my god like tears just like that

945
00:44:35,049 --> 00:44:31,819
you gotta stop this this is like this is

946
00:44:39,220 --> 00:44:35,059
Hollywood this is like real and and but

947
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:39,230
what it did was I think we are connected

948
00:44:44,890 --> 00:44:42,410
to those whatever out there the cultures

949
00:44:47,739 --> 00:44:44,900
we're part of them were part of the

950
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:47,749
cosmos and it may be like coming home I

951
00:44:52,660 --> 00:44:50,210
mean why do we have emotional reactions

952
00:44:55,420 --> 00:44:52,670
to Close Encounters right why do we have

953
00:44:58,960 --> 00:44:55,430
emotional reactions to et that's

954
00:45:01,479 --> 00:44:58,970
unexplainable so maybe we need to look

955
00:45:02,859 --> 00:45:01,489
at our DNA we need to see if our DNA's

956
00:45:05,259 --> 00:45:02,869
been changed we need to see

957
00:45:08,769 --> 00:45:05,269
scientifically if it's a different

958
00:45:11,620 --> 00:45:08,779
climate we need to see if we're being a

959
00:45:14,349 --> 00:45:11,630
climate 'add to another reality it's

960
00:45:15,700 --> 00:45:14,359
just so complicated you know my dream is

961
00:45:18,519 --> 00:45:15,710
and I'm gonna say it over and over again

962
00:45:20,289 --> 00:45:18,529
that we open this up in some university

963
00:45:21,390 --> 00:45:20,299
and we all talk about it you know with

964
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:21,400
scientists and

965
00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:23,690
researchers and everything so we could

966
00:45:29,710 --> 00:45:26,960
get some stimulation of to hug how to go

967
00:45:31,359 --> 00:45:29,720
ahead with their research well and and

968
00:45:34,089 --> 00:45:31,369
you brought up and you brought up

969
00:45:35,890 --> 00:45:34,099
disclosure that you know I've seen and

970
00:45:38,499 --> 00:45:35,900
I've interviewed and I have

971
00:45:40,620 --> 00:45:38,509
I don't need disclosure you know coming

972
00:45:45,279 --> 00:45:40,630
from Washington DC and neither do you

973
00:45:47,079 --> 00:45:45,289
but so many do and whenever I make that

974
00:45:50,529 --> 00:45:47,089
kind of statement right I don't need

975
00:45:54,849 --> 00:45:50,539
disclosure I've already got it I I get

976
00:45:57,729 --> 00:45:54,859
boos right too many out there want the

977
00:46:01,420 --> 00:45:57,739
official confirmation and they will

978
00:46:03,609 --> 00:46:01,430
accept nothing less why is that is it

979
00:46:07,469 --> 00:46:03,619
because they're so emotionally invested

980
00:46:11,079 --> 00:46:07,479
that they need an outside confirmation

981
00:46:13,059 --> 00:46:11,089
well you know maybe it's easier for you

982
00:46:15,609 --> 00:46:13,069
but if you have been conditioned by

983
00:46:18,339 --> 00:46:15,619
religion or being brought up to believe

984
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:18,349
a certain thing and then you really

985
00:46:24,039 --> 00:46:20,930
digest that we're not alone and that

986
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:24,049
this planet is complicated and that

987
00:46:28,779 --> 00:46:26,450
maybe our history needs to be rewritten

988
00:46:32,019 --> 00:46:28,789
and maybe what we're living in is a

989
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:32,029
matrix if you digest that it picks you

990
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:33,680
up throws you against the wall and

991
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:36,319
changes everything and I'll be honest

992
00:46:41,170 --> 00:46:38,089
with you Janine my kids won't talk about

993
00:46:43,779 --> 00:46:41,180
this my daughters excuses mama this has

994
00:46:44,380 --> 00:46:43,789
nothing to do with me and she likes it

995
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:44,390
the way it is

996
00:46:49,690 --> 00:46:47,210
she likes staying in the dark so she

997
00:46:52,269 --> 00:46:49,700
never read my books you never seen any

998
00:46:54,819 --> 00:46:52,279
of my youtube or anything and I always

999
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:54,829
say to people don't waste it on them

1000
00:47:00,130 --> 00:46:57,410
because it changes their reality and not

1001
00:47:02,979 --> 00:47:00,140
everybody wants to change what they

1002
00:47:03,700 --> 00:47:02,989
believe in and it's okay it's okay it's

1003
00:47:05,529 --> 00:47:03,710
okay

1004
00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:05,539
people are comfortable they need to stay

1005
00:47:11,259 --> 00:47:08,569
comfortable the other people there

1006
00:47:13,809 --> 00:47:11,269
they're going to grad school I mean I

1007
00:47:16,209 --> 00:47:13,819
described it as look you know we all

1008
00:47:17,979 --> 00:47:16,219
have to go through all the levels of

1009
00:47:20,499 --> 00:47:17,989
learning you know third grade middle

1010
00:47:23,140 --> 00:47:20,509
school the other people are in grad

1011
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:23,150
school so they're they need grad school

1012
00:47:27,940 --> 00:47:25,130
kinds of things and the

1013
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:27,950
extra-terrestrial phenomenon the idea of

1014
00:47:33,130 --> 00:47:30,650
dimensionality the quantum physics all

1015
00:47:34,779 --> 00:47:33,140
of that is grad school and you can't

1016
00:47:38,949 --> 00:47:34,789
voice it on a third grader

1017
00:47:42,759 --> 00:47:38,959
and I've often wondered not only with

1018
00:47:46,419 --> 00:47:42,769
with Hynek but you know we chim Mars it

1019
00:47:48,849 --> 00:47:46,429
just recently passed and he didn't get a

1020
00:47:50,709 --> 00:47:48,859
chance to see these things that are

1021
00:47:52,059 --> 00:47:50,719
happening now with the media and with

1022
00:47:53,259 --> 00:47:52,069
the government he's always been

1023
00:47:56,890 --> 00:47:53,269
outspoken about it

1024
00:48:01,239 --> 00:47:56,900
but we need those insights too and I

1025
00:48:04,959 --> 00:48:01,249
don't want what I don't want Paula is to

1026
00:48:07,839 --> 00:48:04,969
have a bunch more time go by and others

1027
00:48:10,179 --> 00:48:07,849
don't get to see that you know the

1028
00:48:13,029 --> 00:48:10,189
confirmation or the acceptance on this

1029
00:48:15,219 --> 00:48:13,039
planet about the et phenomenon right

1030
00:48:17,759 --> 00:48:15,229
another year is gonna go by and then

1031
00:48:22,439 --> 00:48:17,769
another year is going to go by without

1032
00:48:25,630 --> 00:48:22,449
everybody getting that sense of relief

1033
00:48:28,769 --> 00:48:25,640
yeah but your show I think your show and

1034
00:48:32,380 --> 00:48:28,779
you know because it does an interview

1035
00:48:35,019 --> 00:48:32,390
insiders and you do have so many really

1036
00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:35,029
interesting guests and and we all give

1037
00:48:38,829 --> 00:48:36,559
what we know

1038
00:48:40,839 --> 00:48:38,839
I think yet this does a lot and you're

1039
00:48:41,309 --> 00:48:40,849
doing what you can you can't do any more

1040
00:48:45,399 --> 00:48:41,319
than that

1041
00:48:48,370 --> 00:48:45,409
and I do what I can for me it is not

1042
00:48:49,929 --> 00:48:48,380
entertainment I will go on public and

1043
00:48:52,569 --> 00:48:49,939
say that over and over again I can't

1044
00:48:56,019 --> 00:48:52,579
play the game you know some things that

1045
00:48:56,919 --> 00:48:56,029
I know are ridiculous so you're doing

1046
00:48:58,899 --> 00:48:56,929
what you can

1047
00:49:00,099 --> 00:48:58,909
I'm doing what I can there's people out

1048
00:49:02,679 --> 00:49:00,109
in the field that are doing the best

1049
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:02,689
they can and and the people that really

1050
00:49:07,329 --> 00:49:04,729
want to know will search it out they

1051
00:49:10,089 --> 00:49:07,339
will search it out and then I've got to

1052
00:49:13,029 --> 00:49:10,099
god bless Steve Bassett for all the x

1053
00:49:15,249 --> 00:49:13,039
conferences for the Citizen hearing all

1054
00:49:18,099 --> 00:49:15,259
the people that did the Washington press

1055
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:18,109
stuff they tried if they couldn't get it

1056
00:49:23,529 --> 00:49:21,650
done with that then you know I remember

1057
00:49:25,179 --> 00:49:23,539
being part of that and I remember the

1058
00:49:27,249 --> 00:49:25,189
Washington Post coming up to me

1059
00:49:31,539 --> 00:49:27,259
interviewing me and they put the most

1060
00:49:33,759 --> 00:49:31,549
ridiculous ridiculous title on it if the

1061
00:49:35,739 --> 00:49:33,769
media is going to be hostile to all that

1062
00:49:39,069 --> 00:49:35,749
that all we can do is this alternative

1063
00:49:41,229 --> 00:49:39,079
media or or make it legitimate in

1064
00:49:43,149 --> 00:49:41,239
universities that's all we can do and

1065
00:49:46,269 --> 00:49:43,159
and I think your show does a lot of that

1066
00:49:47,380 --> 00:49:46,279
speaking of shows before we get to the

1067
00:49:53,940 --> 00:49:47,390
break I wanted to ask you

1068
00:49:59,740 --> 00:49:58,029
yeah what Project Blue Book yeah AB fact

1069
00:50:02,799 --> 00:49:59,750
Paul Hynek is a close friend of mine he

1070
00:50:07,329 --> 00:50:02,809
was a little boy when I knew Ellen he

1071
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:07,339
was a little boy and he basically it was

1072
00:50:14,650 --> 00:50:10,490
so great to reconnect with him and Josh

1073
00:50:18,700 --> 00:50:14,660
just Josh's it's Allen's other son who

1074
00:50:20,710 --> 00:50:18,710
is a consultant and the only and I'm

1075
00:50:23,980 --> 00:50:20,720
invited to watch the party tomorrow

1076
00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:23,990
oh it's with them but you know the thing

1077
00:50:30,940 --> 00:50:26,960
is this that the only it's been highly

1078
00:50:33,970 --> 00:50:30,950
Hollywood eyes I knew Mimi very well and

1079
00:50:36,549 --> 00:50:33,980
she's nothing nothing nothing like what

1080
00:50:39,549 --> 00:50:36,559
they have on that show Mimi was an

1081
00:50:42,029 --> 00:50:39,559
intellectual who was into archaeology

1082
00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:42,039
she used to go on archaeological digs

1083
00:50:48,549 --> 00:50:46,160
she you know she was and she was just a

1084
00:50:51,609 --> 00:50:48,559
force to be reckoned with and then I

1085
00:50:54,730 --> 00:50:51,619
told Paul about this I never saw Ellen

1086
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:54,740
without his pipe ever ever he came to my

1087
00:50:56,740 --> 00:50:56,240
house here in Boulder we would travel

1088
00:50:59,109 --> 00:50:56,750
together

1089
00:51:02,980 --> 00:50:59,119
he never was without his pipe what's

1090
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:02,990
going on here you know I thought you

1091
00:51:10,930 --> 00:51:05,450
know so this year I hear that Alan's

1092
00:51:13,539 --> 00:51:10,940
going to have a pipe what about okay and

1093
00:51:17,259 --> 00:51:13,549
then the eye I totally agree it's been

1094
00:51:18,970 --> 00:51:17,269
Hollywood eyes but the public because of

1095
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:18,980
the way that the show is in produced

1096
00:51:24,549 --> 00:51:22,130
intro and outro right these are actual

1097
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:24,559
case files this is fact right and they

1098
00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:30,170
do that and they show Jay Allen in an

1099
00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:33,680
underground bunker with alien greys and

1100
00:51:40,990 --> 00:51:37,730
giant tanks right that they accept this

1101
00:51:42,999 --> 00:51:41,000
as fact and and these other experiences

1102
00:51:47,099 --> 00:51:43,009
are the Russian next-door neighbors and

1103
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:47,109
all of you know and they accept this as

1104
00:51:56,170 --> 00:51:51,170
a historical document don't they is it

1105
00:51:57,220 --> 00:51:56,180
is it taking it just a bit too far well

1106
00:51:59,710 --> 00:51:57,230
for us

1107
00:52:01,120 --> 00:51:59,720
maybe our generation we know that that's

1108
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:01,130
not the way it went

1109
00:52:05,230 --> 00:52:03,170
for our generation because you're

1110
00:52:07,570 --> 00:52:05,240
questioning if so I questioned it from

1111
00:52:09,100 --> 00:52:07,580
day one I know what Alan wouldn't do he

1112
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:09,110
certainly wouldn't be running he was

1113
00:52:18,310 --> 00:52:12,650
running somewhere in the field I mean I

1114
00:52:21,340 --> 00:52:18,320
never ran like that in you know the in

1115
00:52:24,010 --> 00:52:21,350
order to sell a product that's why I'm

1116
00:52:30,100 --> 00:52:24,020
very wary of any program I do or what I

1117
00:52:33,250 --> 00:52:30,110
do you have to flex for the

1118
00:52:33,670 --> 00:52:33,260
entertainment value and I won't do that

1119
00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:33,680
ever

1120
00:52:40,500 --> 00:52:37,250
and and and I saw that that in order to

1121
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:40,510
pitch that they would have to do that so

1122
00:52:45,460 --> 00:52:43,610
maybe we're getting it we're getting the

1123
00:52:48,190 --> 00:52:45,470
real cases those are the flatbush came

1124
00:52:51,970 --> 00:52:48,200
all those cases are real what he what he

1125
00:52:54,910 --> 00:52:51,980
examined was real but in order to make

1126
00:52:56,770 --> 00:52:54,920
it palatable and entertainment wise they

1127
00:52:58,510 --> 00:52:56,780
have to make it the way it is now does

1128
00:53:00,430 --> 00:52:58,520
the justify the means

1129
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:00,440
I don't know everybody has to

1130
00:53:07,150 --> 00:53:03,130
individually answer that question and

1131
00:53:10,510 --> 00:53:07,160
what about Paul himself is is he okay

1132
00:53:12,700 --> 00:53:10,520
with it did you know I've seen him speak

1133
00:53:14,530 --> 00:53:12,710
about this a couple of times and he

1134
00:53:17,140 --> 00:53:14,540
didn't seem too stressed out about it

1135
00:53:18,820 --> 00:53:17,150
I think he's accepted it no and I hope

1136
00:53:21,220 --> 00:53:18,830
you had him on your show he's at my

1137
00:53:23,860 --> 00:53:21,230
conference in Laughlin November

1138
00:53:26,110 --> 00:53:23,870
you know November 4th so six cuz Paul's

1139
00:53:29,050 --> 00:53:26,120
a good friend he's Paul is heavily into

1140
00:53:32,940 --> 00:53:29,060
AI he works he worked on avatar he

1141
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:32,950
worked on some of the movies so did Joel

1142
00:53:39,490 --> 00:53:36,890
basically he likes peace he's okay with

1143
00:53:41,740 --> 00:53:39,500
the entertainment part of it because it

1144
00:53:44,830 --> 00:53:41,750
opens the door to his father and he just

1145
00:53:47,710 --> 00:53:44,840
came back from Argentina where he

1146
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:47,720
lectured on his father and so what

1147
00:53:53,110 --> 00:53:49,450
happens is that's like the key to

1148
00:53:56,020 --> 00:53:53,120
opening the door on the real stuff so

1149
00:54:00,820 --> 00:53:56,030
you know it's like the key cuz then his

1150
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:00,830
father becomes now back popular and and

1151
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:02,930
like even close encounters that didn't

1152
00:54:06,700 --> 00:54:05,330
happen you know that way that was

1153
00:54:09,130 --> 00:54:06,710
supposed to be Holloman landing

1154
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:09,140
certainly did not happen that way

1155
00:54:14,830 --> 00:54:12,370
so but that opened that opened my career

1156
00:54:18,250 --> 00:54:14,840
actually watching close encounter

1157
00:54:20,770 --> 00:54:18,260
started me doing the research with Hynek

1158
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:20,780
that it did so maybe in a funny kind of

1159
00:54:28,060 --> 00:54:24,770
way it opens the door and then you jump

1160
00:54:31,300 --> 00:54:28,070
in and start doing the real work okay

1161
00:54:34,660 --> 00:54:31,310
III buy into that but there's another

1162
00:54:37,150 --> 00:54:34,670
part of this - distorting Project Blue

1163
00:54:40,090 --> 00:54:37,160
Book and and J Allen Hynek is one thing

1164
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:40,100
but Hollywood is definitely without

1165
00:54:48,430 --> 00:54:44,090
question acclimating the public the

1166
00:54:50,110 --> 00:54:48,440
world as a whole with the subject of ET

1167
00:54:53,230 --> 00:54:50,120
because every other movie out of

1168
00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:53,240
Hollywood is about an alien invasion or

1169
00:54:58,570 --> 00:54:55,760
contact or venturing out to the stars

1170
00:55:02,110 --> 00:54:58,580
and finding an intelligent civilization

1171
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:02,120
so it seems like there is a message and

1172
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:06,170
an agenda there isn't there yeah but

1173
00:55:12,490 --> 00:55:08,690
then I also remember that eg commercial

1174
00:55:15,460 --> 00:55:12,500
that made me cry Christmas so there is a

1175
00:55:17,230 --> 00:55:15,470
bad part you know you know the run the

1176
00:55:19,620 --> 00:55:17,240
word that has an agenda but if the

1177
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:19,630
agenda is due to great here is because

1178
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:24,530
Elliott gets to see again then maybe

1179
00:55:29,290 --> 00:55:26,450
there's like we got a look at it all

1180
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:29,300
let's take a break right here we need to

1181
00:55:33,070 --> 00:55:31,370
get that in this is fade to black I'm

1182
00:55:35,590 --> 00:55:33,080
your host Jimmy Church I guess and I

1183
00:55:37,900 --> 00:55:35,600
Paulo Harris we're discussing everything

1184
00:55:39,940 --> 00:55:37,910
when we come back after the break we're

1185
00:55:42,250 --> 00:55:39,950
gonna talk about AI artificial

1186
00:55:44,290 --> 00:55:42,260
intelligence this is fade to black I'm

1187
00:55:44,990 --> 00:55:44,300
rose to the church stay with us we'll be

1188
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right back

1189
00:56:25,370 --> 00:56:22,530
[Music]

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[Applause]

1191
00:56:31,590 --> 00:56:27,970
welcome back fade to black I'm assuming

1192
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:31,600
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1193
00:56:36,690 --> 00:56:33,210
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1194
00:56:38,430 --> 00:56:36,700
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00:56:40,350 --> 00:56:38,440
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00:56:43,740 --> 00:56:40,360
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1197
00:56:46,670 --> 00:56:43,750
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1198
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1199
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:49,720
archived just for you our guest tonight

1200
00:56:59,340 --> 00:56:53,170
Paola Harris and now artificial

1201
00:57:01,590 --> 00:56:59,350
intelligence this means so much is it a

1202
00:57:05,670 --> 00:57:01,600
threat is it something that we need to

1203
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:05,680
embrace when we start to talk about AI

1204
00:57:12,090 --> 00:57:09,610
what's your take Paola well it's just

1205
00:57:14,850 --> 00:57:12,100
like my book it's all of the above all

1206
00:57:17,100 --> 00:57:14,860
of the above right now

1207
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:17,110
I think we are artificial intelligence

1208
00:57:21,510 --> 00:57:19,210
we're programmed in a certain way and we

1209
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:21,520
react in a certain way but look at the

1210
00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:25,090
average home today with Alexa that tells

1211
00:57:30,420 --> 00:57:27,760
you know everybody you know what to do

1212
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:30,430
and does it for them that alone if

1213
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:32,290
people are arguing about artificial

1214
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:35,050
intelligence and have Alexa then they

1215
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:38,170
got it in the house what I'd like to do

1216
00:57:45,390 --> 00:57:41,010
is present all different angles of it

1217
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:45,400
and what I'd like to do is talk about if

1218
00:57:49,950 --> 00:57:48,130
it's going to take over and when I think

1219
00:57:52,770 --> 00:57:49,960
of artificial intelligence what comes to

1220
00:57:56,820 --> 00:57:52,780
me and and what you probably remember is

1221
00:58:00,960 --> 00:57:56,830
how of 2001 right the computer that shut

1222
00:58:04,830 --> 00:58:00,970
on everything and the told Dave to take

1223
00:58:06,510 --> 00:58:04,840
a stress pill I'm going to show clip

1224
00:58:10,350 --> 00:58:06,520
from that because I think that was

1225
00:58:14,130 --> 00:58:10,360
genius of Kubrick and then Spielberg did

1226
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:14,140
a movie called AI if you remember that

1227
00:58:24,030 --> 00:58:20,650
had our artificial adoptive child and it

1228
00:58:27,180 --> 00:58:24,040
had a lot of messages in it so my idea

1229
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:27,190
is to cover all angles of it and I know

1230
00:58:30,540 --> 00:58:29,050
that Paul Hynek will do an amazing job

1231
00:58:35,010 --> 00:58:30,550
because he's working on artificial

1232
00:58:37,860 --> 00:58:35,020
intelligence and look at the what we

1233
00:58:41,300 --> 00:58:37,870
could do to balance our lives

1234
00:58:44,070 --> 00:58:41,310
in other words what we could do a whole

1235
00:58:46,770 --> 00:58:44,080
bunch of suggestions have to do with

1236
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:46,780
your personal life not bringing yourself

1237
00:58:52,470 --> 00:58:49,770
on always going out in nature

1238
00:58:55,770 --> 00:58:52,480
remembering that you're human trying to

1239
00:58:58,740 --> 00:58:55,780
do some things on your own and some of

1240
00:59:00,510 --> 00:58:58,750
the the panacea for this we can offer at

1241
00:59:03,270 --> 00:59:00,520
the conference but what's important is

1242
00:59:05,250 --> 00:59:03,280
that we don't avoid the discussion you

1243
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:05,260
know we can't avoid something we're

1244
00:59:12,300 --> 00:59:09,370
already in so if we look at our world

1245
00:59:14,700 --> 00:59:12,310
then how can we make it much more

1246
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:14,710
sensual much more meaningful

1247
00:59:21,630 --> 00:59:18,490
how can you manatee you know control if

1248
00:59:22,980 --> 00:59:21,640
we're already in it the difference is

1249
00:59:25,980 --> 00:59:22,990
that I don't think there's any

1250
00:59:28,740 --> 00:59:25,990
conference that just addresses that but

1251
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:28,750
if you look at a Jimmy my god UFO is

1252
00:59:34,590 --> 00:59:31,330
artificial intelligence I mean that

1253
00:59:37,530 --> 00:59:34,600
thing is not run with a motor it's you

1254
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:37,540
know they they've used it to navigate to

1255
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:40,330
get here the beings that are inside some

1256
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:41,730
of them are extraterrestrial biological

1257
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:44,650
entities and program don't remember when

1258
00:59:48,570 --> 00:59:47,170
Colonel Corso told me and I'm hoping to

1259
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:48,580
have Colonel course those son as a

1260
00:59:55,170 --> 00:59:51,250
special guest because he he has a lot to

1261
00:59:57,510 --> 00:59:55,180
add but Corso tell me that the being

1262
01:00:00,900 --> 00:59:57,520
said headbands that would control the

1263
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:00,910
ship they were biologically created

1264
01:00:07,290 --> 01:00:04,570
that's artificial intelligence so ETS

1265
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:07,300
aren't artificial intelligence the ship

1266
01:00:14,150 --> 01:00:09,970
is connected with the et there's a lot

1267
01:00:16,500 --> 01:00:14,160
to discuss there well my fear of

1268
01:00:18,900 --> 01:00:16,510
artificial intelligence is something

1269
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:18,910
like you asked

1270
01:00:23,850 --> 01:00:21,970
AI all right we've got this advanced

1271
01:00:25,350 --> 01:00:23,860
computer system now right it can do

1272
01:00:28,350 --> 01:00:25,360
things that can build things that can

1273
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:28,360
control factories and I think and we say

1274
01:00:34,670 --> 01:00:31,330
you know what climate change and

1275
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:34,680
pollution is is killing this planet fix

1276
01:00:40,890 --> 01:00:37,570
climate change and artificial

1277
01:00:48,660 --> 01:00:40,900
intelligence says well okay we need to

1278
01:00:51,150 --> 01:00:48,670
kill all humans that's the problem see

1279
01:00:52,980 --> 01:00:51,160
and that's that could be because

1280
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:52,990
we just give it a simple instruction

1281
01:00:57,720 --> 01:00:55,810
let's let's get rid of pollution and

1282
01:00:59,550 --> 01:00:57,730
artificial intelligence says well the

1283
01:01:02,790 --> 01:00:59,560
creators of pollution or humans humans

1284
01:01:04,740 --> 01:01:02,800
are bad you know that's that's what was

1285
01:01:07,050 --> 01:01:04,750
here Paul hynek's said to me he said

1286
01:01:09,210 --> 01:01:07,060
wouldn't you rather than an artificial

1287
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:09,220
intelligence drove a car than a drunken

1288
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:12,250
driver look how can I answer that you

1289
01:01:17,700 --> 01:01:15,010
know good well let's see we have

1290
01:01:21,170 --> 01:01:17,710
driverless cars that's right that raises

1291
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:21,180
that side of artificial intelligence

1292
01:01:31,110 --> 01:01:24,010
raises all kinds of philosophical

1293
01:01:32,970 --> 01:01:31,120
questions like the car sees a baby in a

1294
01:01:36,330 --> 01:01:32,980
stroller in the middle of the street

1295
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:36,340
right and it's going to hit the baby and

1296
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:39,970
the parents or if it turns right and

1297
01:01:47,070 --> 01:01:42,970
avoids the baby it's gonna run into a

1298
01:01:50,340 --> 01:01:47,080
crowd of ten people and now somebody out

1299
01:01:52,290 --> 01:01:50,350
there has to write that program what do

1300
01:01:55,290 --> 01:01:52,300
you do do you kill the baby and the

1301
01:01:59,490 --> 01:01:55,300
parents and knock and take two out over

1302
01:02:01,650 --> 01:01:59,500
three out or do you take out ten that

1303
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:01,660
are sitting at the cafe on the sidewalk

1304
01:02:07,710 --> 01:02:05,770
right that's either my car my car and a

1305
01:02:09,630 --> 01:02:07,720
lot of cars stop when there's something

1306
01:02:11,700 --> 01:02:09,640
in front even if it's a dog do you

1307
01:02:13,740 --> 01:02:11,710
understand what I'm saying yeah you

1308
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:13,750
understand you're saying it's making

1309
01:02:18,950 --> 01:02:16,210
decision it's making human decisions as

1310
01:02:21,540 --> 01:02:18,960
what you're saying and there is a human

1311
01:02:24,990 --> 01:02:21,550
right and there's a human out there that

1312
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:25,000
is going to write that program okay well

1313
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:29,890
you know what take out the baby instead

1314
01:02:36,690 --> 01:02:33,130
of the ten people or they could even go

1315
01:02:40,650 --> 01:02:36,700
it could even go deeper than that what

1316
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:40,660
if there is facial recognition and races

1317
01:02:45,300 --> 01:02:43,450
involved right okay there are so many

1318
01:02:48,930 --> 01:02:45,310
asian-americans so many black so many

1319
01:02:53,010 --> 01:02:48,940
white is somebody this somebody that

1320
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:53,020
it's a it's a baby from India and and

1321
01:02:59,960 --> 01:02:57,490
this gets involved into AI and all of it

1322
01:03:03,050 --> 01:02:59,970
these are fillers heavy

1323
01:03:05,540 --> 01:03:03,060
heavy subjects that are going to have to

1324
01:03:08,089 --> 01:03:05,550
be written they can't be ignored right

1325
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:08,099
and so what do we do about that when it

1326
01:03:13,810 --> 01:03:09,930
comes to self-driving cars that's why I

1327
01:03:16,250 --> 01:03:13,820
think self-driving cars are way off way

1328
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:16,260
into the future I don't think it's what

1329
01:03:20,660 --> 01:03:18,330
Elon Musk is suggesting that we're gonna

1330
01:03:23,150 --> 01:03:20,670
have it in a couple of years I don't

1331
01:03:26,599 --> 01:03:23,160
think our AI is ready for it yet Paul I

1332
01:03:30,140 --> 01:03:26,609
I really don't I think we've done it

1333
01:03:31,970 --> 01:03:30,150
already I do the thing is you're so cool

1334
01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:31,980
about this I'd love to put you on stage

1335
01:03:35,390 --> 01:03:33,599
with all these questions because you're

1336
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:35,400
you're gonna be our guest in November

1337
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:37,170
but you know you've got the right

1338
01:03:41,900 --> 01:03:39,650
questions and this is what it's about

1339
01:03:43,820 --> 01:03:41,910
Jimmy it's about asking the right

1340
01:03:46,970 --> 01:03:43,830
questions you and I don't have the

1341
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:46,980
answers and it's really difficult but if

1342
01:03:51,740 --> 01:03:49,050
we ask the right questions it becomes a

1343
01:03:55,550 --> 01:03:51,750
really interesting discussion well in

1344
01:03:58,160 --> 01:03:55,560
the other the other part about it is the

1345
01:04:00,109 --> 01:03:58,170
country the country and it could be a

1346
01:04:03,020 --> 01:04:00,119
small country doesn't necessarily have

1347
01:04:06,109 --> 01:04:03,030
to be the United States or Russia but

1348
01:04:08,780 --> 01:04:06,119
the country that conquers artificial

1349
01:04:12,730 --> 01:04:08,790
general intelligence that's super

1350
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:12,740
intelligent but just a jet and a GI

1351
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:15,810
that's that's the global game changer

1352
01:04:21,170 --> 01:04:19,050
right there that could control the

1353
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:21,180
infrastructure that could control your

1354
01:04:27,650 --> 01:04:24,930
house you know that could control the

1355
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:27,660
the logistics of food delivery or air

1356
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:30,570
conditioning or water and that that's

1357
01:04:36,140 --> 01:04:32,730
the part that scares me the most it

1358
01:04:38,060 --> 01:04:36,150
wouldn't be at some complex algorithm it

1359
01:04:41,359 --> 01:04:38,070
could actually be something very very

1360
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:41,369
simple that could control everything and

1361
01:04:47,599 --> 01:04:43,530
the person or the country that gets to

1362
01:04:49,339 --> 01:04:47,609
that first that's that's poof that's a

1363
01:04:51,230 --> 01:04:49,349
scary thought and that's what I think

1364
01:04:53,810 --> 01:04:51,240
our government is really looking at

1365
01:04:56,599 --> 01:04:53,820
right now it's not so much the the

1366
01:05:01,810 --> 01:04:56,609
Google supercomputer it's the simple

1367
01:05:07,220 --> 01:05:04,370
well we make choices actually you're

1368
01:05:09,859 --> 01:05:07,230
describing a movie really interesting

1369
01:05:12,140 --> 01:05:09,869
here those are the choices were going to

1370
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:12,150
make you know I don't have an Alexa in

1371
01:05:15,410 --> 01:05:12,930
my house

1372
01:05:16,940 --> 01:05:15,420
I do go out in nature and don't use

1373
01:05:18,710 --> 01:05:16,950
myself I'm one of the only people that

1374
01:05:20,660 --> 01:05:18,720
walks in the forest without a cell phone

1375
01:05:22,250 --> 01:05:20,670
and I'm listening to the birds and

1376
01:05:24,950 --> 01:05:22,260
looking at the flowers and I'm going why

1377
01:05:26,630 --> 01:05:24,960
would people ever bring a cell phone

1378
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:26,640
when they're taking a beautiful walk in

1379
01:05:33,049 --> 01:05:29,130
the Rocky Mountains you know it's like I

1380
01:05:35,750 --> 01:05:33,059
think we need to show the alternative to

1381
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:35,760
all of this it's not just talking about

1382
01:05:42,220 --> 01:05:39,210
you know the the advent of AI cuz it's

1383
01:05:46,069 --> 01:05:42,230
here and I'm positive there's some

1384
01:05:48,500 --> 01:05:46,079
really scary type technology we know

1385
01:05:50,329 --> 01:05:48,510
nothing about that I'm sure we've

1386
01:05:53,359 --> 01:05:50,339
already invented the wire as a

1387
01:05:55,430 --> 01:05:53,369
driverless cars but you know what I'm

1388
01:05:58,250 --> 01:05:55,440
looking at is how do how do we have

1389
01:05:59,990 --> 01:05:58,260
alternatives and what kind of choices do

1390
01:06:02,329 --> 01:06:00,000
they make and then I have to also

1391
01:06:03,620 --> 01:06:02,339
because it's a UFO conference after to

1392
01:06:06,740 --> 01:06:03,630
apply it to UFOs

1393
01:06:09,140 --> 01:06:06,750
so the thing is that's really it's an

1394
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:09,150
interesting discussion I'm really really

1395
01:06:15,859 --> 01:06:11,930
really thrilled to have you with us well

1396
01:06:18,490 --> 01:06:15,869
see this is why I embrace it let me tell

1397
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:18,500
you why I embrace it I don't embrace

1398
01:06:25,609 --> 01:06:21,450
alexa don't have that stuff over at the

1399
01:06:28,370 --> 01:06:25,619
house we have a very dumb house fort for

1400
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:28,380
good reason I don't want a smart house I

1401
01:06:36,289 --> 01:06:32,730
don't want to have somebody with access

1402
01:06:37,579 --> 01:06:36,299
to to my home where they could create a

1403
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:37,589
nightmare for me

1404
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:39,210
I don't want to wake up in the morning

1405
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:41,970
and go and and see my refrigerator shut

1406
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:46,170
off or my thermostat going crazy or my

1407
01:06:52,339 --> 01:06:49,530
lawnmower out you know going nuts or I

1408
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:52,349
don't have water or you know it's

1409
01:06:57,349 --> 01:06:54,690
something because if that happens on a

1410
01:06:59,180 --> 01:06:57,359
global scale if you shut down the water

1411
01:07:01,430 --> 01:06:59,190
system or the refrigerators of

1412
01:07:05,030 --> 01:07:01,440
everybody's house or shut down

1413
01:07:08,180 --> 01:07:05,040
everybody's smart TV and you have cut

1414
01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:08,190
off communication we've got a serious

1415
01:07:13,190 --> 01:07:09,599
problem on our hands

1416
01:07:14,890 --> 01:07:13,200
and I suggest everybody the exact

1417
01:07:17,359 --> 01:07:14,900
opposite you don't want a smart house

1418
01:07:19,069 --> 01:07:17,369
there's there's just no reason for it

1419
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:19,079
because if it goes wrong

1420
01:07:24,700 --> 01:07:22,290
it can go wrong really really fast but

1421
01:07:29,980 --> 01:07:24,710
here's the flipside

1422
01:07:35,380 --> 01:07:29,990
if if I could download or upload my

1423
01:07:38,460 --> 01:07:35,390
consciousness my mind into a robot that

1424
01:07:40,900 --> 01:07:38,470
you achieve a sense of immortality there

1425
01:07:44,319 --> 01:07:40,910
right you're no longer limited to

1426
01:07:48,250 --> 01:07:44,329
disease or anything but that is how we

1427
01:07:50,410 --> 01:07:48,260
are going to travel the Stars it would

1428
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:50,420
have to happen that way somebody's going

1429
01:07:56,500 --> 01:07:52,450
to have to make that sacrifice of

1430
01:07:58,210 --> 01:07:56,510
uploading themselves into a robot so you

1431
01:08:01,900 --> 01:07:58,220
can go and fly a spaceship for a

1432
01:08:03,849 --> 01:08:01,910
thousand years right and not age you

1433
01:08:07,150 --> 01:08:03,859
bring up the right philosophical point

1434
01:08:09,670 --> 01:08:07,160
et has got to be doing the same thing to

1435
01:08:14,710 --> 01:08:09,680
get here and we have to understand that

1436
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:14,720
don't we yes these are some pretty

1437
01:08:19,209 --> 01:08:17,690
profound issues you're bringing up I'm

1438
01:08:22,599 --> 01:08:19,219
so glad you're going there because

1439
01:08:24,189 --> 01:08:22,609
that's where we want to go and yeah

1440
01:08:29,380 --> 01:08:24,199
absolutely

1441
01:08:32,019 --> 01:08:29,390
exactly what you said so I really am

1442
01:08:34,030 --> 01:08:32,029
curious about it because the only reason

1443
01:08:37,390 --> 01:08:34,040
I do things is because I'm curious about

1444
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:37,400
them and we'll have a really really

1445
01:08:43,630 --> 01:08:39,650
interesting discussion you brought up so

1446
01:08:48,039 --> 01:08:43,640
many really profound issues that this

1447
01:08:53,169 --> 01:08:48,049
got me thinking would you excuse me hold

1448
01:08:58,990 --> 01:08:53,179
on cough button cough button it happens

1449
01:09:01,809 --> 01:08:59,000
it's live radio would you if you were in

1450
01:09:06,550 --> 01:09:01,819
the situation like him in close

1451
01:09:09,340 --> 01:09:06,560
encounter where you would be approached

1452
01:09:12,249 --> 01:09:09,350
to travel the stars and they said well

1453
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:12,259
okay to do this miss Harris you would

1454
01:09:18,519 --> 01:09:15,170
have to upload your mind and get rid of

1455
01:09:20,910 --> 01:09:18,529
that body you're gonna live forever but

1456
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:20,920
you need to get rid of the old self and

1457
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:24,650
you're gonna go meet our et brothers do

1458
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:27,410
you do that do you make the sacrifice do

1459
01:09:33,309 --> 01:09:30,290
you get rid of your body so your mind

1460
01:09:35,829 --> 01:09:33,319
and soul can be uploaded onto a computer

1461
01:09:39,610 --> 01:09:35,839
chip so it could travel to another

1462
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:42,220
personally I'm having too much fun here

1463
01:09:49,670 --> 01:09:45,930
and I'm not and I think that contact can

1464
01:09:52,130 --> 01:09:49,680
be achieved here and I live in near

1465
01:09:55,340 --> 01:09:52,140
Boulder Colorado I wouldn't give this up

1466
01:09:58,820 --> 01:09:55,350
for anything it's gorgeous here and I

1467
01:10:03,230 --> 01:09:58,830
learned so much from my environment that

1468
01:10:06,350 --> 01:10:03,240
no the answer is I'm happy I don't need

1469
01:10:09,230 --> 01:10:06,360
that however in order for science to

1470
01:10:13,340 --> 01:10:09,240
progress something on this level and you

1471
01:10:14,590 --> 01:10:13,350
and I know that will take place so you

1472
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:14,600
wouldn't do it

1473
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:20,970
No okay happy now okay now let's know if

1474
01:10:32,390 --> 01:10:28,770
I could take Rita with me I would Rita

1475
01:10:35,380 --> 01:10:32,400
Rita and hi Rita and I talking for a

1476
01:10:39,350 --> 01:10:35,390
thousand years on a space ship together

1477
01:10:40,730 --> 01:10:39,360
she would just lose her mind but yeah if

1478
01:10:43,250 --> 01:10:40,740
I could take Rita okay

1479
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:43,260
now let's let's flip it around 180

1480
01:10:47,570 --> 01:10:46,290
degrees you're in Boulder Colorado craft

1481
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:47,580
lands in your backyard

1482
01:10:53,180 --> 01:10:50,970
door opens and says miss Harris were

1483
01:10:53,630 --> 01:10:53,190
here for you come on come and hang out

1484
01:10:56,060 --> 01:10:53,640
with us

1485
01:11:00,100 --> 01:10:56,070
do you get on that craft knowing what

1486
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:08,150
I don't think so because I don't believe

1487
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:10,850
I'm going anywhere I would believe that

1488
01:11:16,150 --> 01:11:13,410
basically I mean I have the belief

1489
01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:16,160
anymore that whoever is visiting is

1490
01:11:20,180 --> 01:11:18,480
inter-dimensional and I wouldn't be

1491
01:11:22,310 --> 01:11:20,190
going anywhere now if they say do you

1492
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:22,320
want to walk through is endre for you

1493
01:11:26,480 --> 01:11:24,690
people that don't know I've had contact

1494
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:26,490
in Mount Shasta if you want to go

1495
01:11:30,110 --> 01:11:28,170
through a Zandro to another dimension

1496
01:11:33,860 --> 01:11:30,120
and see what that's like I'd say yeah

1497
01:11:36,890 --> 01:11:33,870
without drugs without drugs through you

1498
01:11:40,070 --> 01:11:36,900
know a portal to another dimension yeah

1499
01:11:41,870 --> 01:11:40,080
I do that I do that with the you know

1500
01:11:44,150 --> 01:11:41,880
with the knowledge that I could come

1501
01:11:46,190 --> 01:11:44,160
back right but for me I do enough

1502
01:11:49,259 --> 01:11:46,200
traveling all over the world to I don't

1503
01:11:52,589 --> 01:11:49,269
feel like I need to go anywhere I

1504
01:11:56,370 --> 01:11:52,599
would rather understand the reality that

1505
01:11:59,220 --> 01:11:56,380
I live in which is very limited because

1506
01:12:02,819 --> 01:11:59,230
we live in a multi-dimensional matrix

1507
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:02,829
I'd rather understand that then you know

1508
01:12:09,629 --> 01:12:05,170
actually go somewhere you know ghost

1509
01:12:11,370 --> 01:12:09,639
comes to another place well I I've

1510
01:12:16,950 --> 01:12:11,380
discussed this so much and thought about

1511
01:12:18,930 --> 01:12:16,960
it so much I would do it with I would I

1512
01:12:23,370 --> 01:12:18,940
would I would go even if we couldn't

1513
01:12:25,470 --> 01:12:23,380
come back but I would need two things to

1514
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:25,480
happen one I'd have to be able to take

1515
01:12:32,910 --> 01:12:28,570
Rita with me but the second thing is

1516
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:32,920
food the food would have to be good and

1517
01:12:39,989 --> 01:12:36,130
the reason for that is because could you

1518
01:12:42,390 --> 01:12:39,999
imagine how miserable it would be if the

1519
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:42,400
food wasn't good and and you're going to

1520
01:12:48,270 --> 01:12:44,650
ND and you arrive and you just find out

1521
01:12:51,629 --> 01:12:48,280
that you're stuck right it would make

1522
01:12:54,029 --> 01:12:51,639
the experience just intolerable but if I

1523
01:12:55,890 --> 01:12:54,039
could get those to be astronauts you

1524
01:12:58,620 --> 01:12:55,900
know they're they have food they have

1525
01:13:00,720 --> 01:12:58,630
you know food this powdered those poor

1526
01:13:02,700 --> 01:13:00,730
astronauts on the space station you know

1527
01:13:05,910 --> 01:13:02,710
that I'm sure they don't have stake in

1528
01:13:08,759 --> 01:13:05,920
it you know good food but somehow

1529
01:13:12,029 --> 01:13:08,769
they're able to survive because they

1530
01:13:15,689 --> 01:13:12,039
know they're coming back somehow they're

1531
01:13:18,180 --> 01:13:15,699
able to survive and and have some kind

1532
01:13:20,970 --> 01:13:18,190
of experience no I think that our

1533
01:13:24,959 --> 01:13:20,980
Mitchell had was a and he talked about

1534
01:13:27,870 --> 01:13:24,969
it was an experience in Samadhi which is

1535
01:13:31,339 --> 01:13:27,880
like a spiritual experience of being one

1536
01:13:33,750 --> 01:13:31,349
with the Stars yeah and he said it was

1537
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:33,760
absolutely amazing and I don't think all

1538
01:13:39,450 --> 01:13:36,489
those other considerations are looked at

1539
01:13:41,939 --> 01:13:39,460
when you have that being one with the

1540
01:13:44,850 --> 01:13:41,949
Stars it with the starry night being one

1541
01:13:46,229 --> 01:13:44,860
with Allah that must be totally amazing

1542
01:13:50,910 --> 01:13:46,239
I'd go for that

1543
01:13:54,959 --> 01:13:50,920
yeah I would too I would too i when you

1544
01:13:58,109 --> 01:13:54,969
go back and read the accounts of say

1545
01:14:00,890 --> 01:13:58,119
serpo and and you read through that that

1546
01:14:03,620 --> 01:14:00,900
sounded to me like miserable

1547
01:14:05,630 --> 01:14:03,630
right I don't want to be miserable and

1548
01:14:07,370 --> 01:14:05,640
the other thing oh wait there was a

1549
01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:07,380
there is a part three and I was

1550
01:14:14,050 --> 01:14:10,320
discussing with this with Rita the other

1551
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:14,060
night I couldn't wear a space helmet I

1552
01:14:19,730 --> 01:14:17,970
couldn't do it right I I couldn't do it

1553
01:14:21,860 --> 01:14:19,740
one is claustrophobic but the other

1554
01:14:24,440 --> 01:14:21,870
thing is and I don't know how astronauts

1555
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:24,450
deal with this but what if you had an

1556
01:14:32,870 --> 01:14:28,530
itch what if you had an itch you got a

1557
01:14:35,750 --> 01:14:32,880
space helmet on you cannot scratch what

1558
01:14:37,550 --> 01:14:35,760
do you do what do you do how to

1559
01:14:39,710 --> 01:14:37,560
astronauts deal with I don't think you

1560
01:14:41,420 --> 01:14:39,720
need to wear a space helmet the people

1561
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:41,430
that have been taken off planet the

1562
01:14:47,570 --> 01:14:44,130
contactees did not wear spacesuits

1563
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:47,580
right that it was and they said they

1564
01:14:52,430 --> 01:14:48,810
just sat there and they didn't even

1565
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:52,440
notice motion yeah I was just were yeah

1566
01:14:56,690 --> 01:14:55,290
yeah that that I'm cool with right I

1567
01:14:58,970 --> 01:14:56,700
don't know yeah they didn't know this

1568
01:15:00,860 --> 01:14:58,980
emotion they just this at one place and

1569
01:15:02,870 --> 01:15:00,870
they arrived at the other within a

1570
01:15:07,190 --> 01:15:02,880
matter of a minute sometimes you know

1571
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:07,200
minutes and and yeah I think I think

1572
01:15:12,950 --> 01:15:09,810
our spacesuit is very primitive there

1573
01:15:15,970 --> 01:15:12,960
must be ways of dealing with with this

1574
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:15,980
that doesn't include a primitive

1575
01:15:22,190 --> 01:15:19,290
spacesuit and helmet yeah it's not

1576
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:22,200
logical I mean we're it's a great one

1577
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:25,170
right now with all that kind of stuff so

1578
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:27,090
I think that there are advanced

1579
01:15:31,970 --> 01:15:29,010
civilizations I don't need that stuff

1580
01:15:34,790 --> 01:15:31,980
and maybe we just don't know enough

1581
01:15:37,550 --> 01:15:34,800
about our outside of ourselves in our

1582
01:15:41,540 --> 01:15:37,560
solar system and the way things work

1583
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:41,550
maybe I don't know maybe we should just

1584
01:15:48,830 --> 01:15:45,090
stay here and enjoy it I would go though

1585
01:15:51,530 --> 01:15:48,840
I really would and when we come back I

1586
01:15:53,450 --> 01:15:51,540
actually want to shift gears and and

1587
01:15:55,730 --> 01:15:53,460
talk a little bit about Shasta and your

1588
01:15:58,670 --> 01:15:55,740
adventures down in South America and

1589
01:16:02,120 --> 01:15:58,680
those contact experiences I think it's

1590
01:16:06,380 --> 01:16:02,130
very very interesting and for me before

1591
01:16:08,780 --> 01:16:06,390
we go to the break I have seen what I

1592
01:16:11,570 --> 01:16:08,790
have seen I've seen some very

1593
01:16:13,140 --> 01:16:11,580
interesting stuff and to me it's the

1594
01:16:16,380 --> 01:16:13,150
daytime

1595
01:16:18,540 --> 01:16:16,390
at night you can see whatever it may be

1596
01:16:21,030 --> 01:16:18,550
it could be anything but during the day

1597
01:16:24,570 --> 01:16:21,040
when you have these daylight sightings

1598
01:16:27,210 --> 01:16:24,580
that's the game changer and and I have

1599
01:16:32,610 --> 01:16:27,220
seen what I have seen have you seen a

1600
01:16:38,250 --> 01:16:32,620
craft or an entity during the day craft

1601
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:38,260
yes and what was it it was it was a

1602
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:41,410
light it was a bright light that's exact

1603
01:16:48,660 --> 01:16:45,250
and I was hiking and it was in Italy is

1604
01:16:50,490 --> 01:16:48,670
in the Alps and it's it's exactly over

1605
01:16:53,070 --> 01:16:50,500
my head not all the people that were you

1606
01:16:56,130 --> 01:16:53,080
know walking with me on in this mountain

1607
01:17:00,410 --> 01:16:56,140
hike thought we were able to photograph

1608
01:17:03,210 --> 01:17:00,420
it and when you say zigzag describe that

1609
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:03,220
well zigzag I mean it didn't fly a

1610
01:17:09,750 --> 01:17:06,130
pattern it appeared one place and then

1611
01:17:13,260 --> 01:17:09,760
it you saw it in another place and we

1612
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:13,270
sat in front of us and it did not look

1613
01:17:18,540 --> 01:17:15,730
linear it was not linear but it was

1614
01:17:21,150 --> 01:17:18,550
attached to a huge sighting they had in

1615
01:17:23,100 --> 01:17:21,160
that town the night before a huge

1616
01:17:24,210 --> 01:17:23,110
sighting seen by all the people so I was

1617
01:17:26,580 --> 01:17:24,220
at the right place at the right time

1618
01:17:29,430 --> 01:17:26,590
where something was happening in a two

1619
01:17:29,910 --> 01:17:29,440
day period and this was in the Italian

1620
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:29,920
Alps

1621
01:17:38,030 --> 01:17:34,090
what was their shape to it it was more

1622
01:17:42,750 --> 01:17:38,040
of a bright like it was like it was a

1623
01:17:47,550 --> 01:17:42,760
blinding blinding orb incredible how

1624
01:17:49,440 --> 01:17:47,560
long did it last well when I thought it

1625
01:17:51,300 --> 01:17:49,450
would appear and disappear appear and

1626
01:17:53,820 --> 01:17:51,310
disappear was in front of me when the

1627
01:17:59,460 --> 01:17:53,830
people in the village of Cuneo thought

1628
01:18:03,480 --> 01:17:59,470
it was huge and it actually it scared

1629
01:18:08,850 --> 01:18:03,490
half the town huge so I think it changes

1630
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:08,860
shapes and my question was I mean how

1631
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:11,170
long did it last was this a mere seconds

1632
01:18:18,210 --> 01:18:15,250
or this man a few minutes no spend a few

1633
01:18:21,150 --> 01:18:18,220
minutes see and and because this happens

1634
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:21,160
in the daytime and you see something

1635
01:18:28,700 --> 01:18:25,730
like that I think it's it's a definite

1636
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:28,710
I'm gonna say proof or maybe even a fact

1637
01:18:32,990 --> 01:18:30,690
that something is going on because you

1638
01:18:34,550 --> 01:18:33,000
know it's not a helicopter it's not a

1639
01:18:37,070 --> 01:18:34,560
plane it's not a balloon it's none of

1640
01:18:39,590 --> 01:18:37,080
these things and it's happening during

1641
01:18:41,900 --> 01:18:39,600
the day where you know it's not any of

1642
01:18:44,990 --> 01:18:41,910
these things right there is truly

1643
01:18:45,980 --> 01:18:45,000
something going on yeah but it's

1644
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:45,990
something that wants to get your

1645
01:18:52,130 --> 01:18:49,170
attention again it wants to get your

1646
01:18:53,990 --> 01:18:52,140
attention so it's not there by accident

1647
01:18:56,630 --> 01:18:54,000
you're having to see it it's there for

1648
01:18:59,240 --> 01:18:56,640
you right right let's take our break

1649
01:19:00,410 --> 01:18:59,250
right here this is fade to black I am

1650
01:19:03,940 --> 01:19:00,420
your host Jimmy Church I guess tonight

1651
01:19:06,830 --> 01:19:03,950
Powell Harris great conversation tonight

1652
01:19:10,430 --> 01:19:06,840
we will be back after this short break

1653
01:19:12,770 --> 01:19:10,440
and I want to go to Mount Shasta and

1654
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:12,780
some of these other experiences in South

1655
01:19:16,130 --> 01:19:14,010
America we're going to do all of that

1656
01:19:22,150 --> 01:19:16,140
when we come back stay with us this is

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01:19:30,089 --> 01:19:28,759
[Music]

1658
01:19:31,709 --> 01:19:30,099
welcome back

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01:19:34,290 --> 01:19:31,719
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01:19:38,220 --> 01:19:34,300
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01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:38,230
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1662
01:19:42,870 --> 01:19:40,210
go to our membership section over Jimmy

1663
01:19:45,629 --> 01:19:42,880
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1664
01:19:49,259 --> 01:19:45,639
if those autographed shirts autographed

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01:19:59,970 --> 01:19:55,570
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the site and Apollo your star works USA

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01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:02,349
that's coming up in November and I will

1671
01:20:06,810 --> 01:20:05,650
I cannot wait to finally make that

1672
01:20:08,339 --> 01:20:06,820
conference it's going to be great

1673
01:20:10,890 --> 01:20:08,349
hanging out with everybody but you've

1674
01:20:12,750 --> 01:20:10,900
got early bird tickets for the next

1675
01:20:17,870 --> 01:20:12,760
month right where can everybody go to

1676
01:20:20,850 --> 01:20:17,880
get those well they can go to WWE

1677
01:20:23,009 --> 01:20:20,860
usa.com it's probably the most

1678
01:20:25,939 --> 01:20:23,019
affordable conference ever it includes

1679
01:20:28,890 --> 01:20:25,949
two movies we're going to screen

1680
01:20:33,089 --> 01:20:28,900
phenomena by James Fox and witness to

1681
01:20:36,149 --> 01:20:33,099
another world and we're going to have 18

1682
01:20:38,939 --> 01:20:36,159
speakers we have the gala dinner and a

1683
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:38,949
cocktail party with entertainment and if

1684
01:20:43,140 --> 01:20:41,050
they get the whole package is two

1685
01:20:47,250 --> 01:20:43,150
hundred and seventy dollars it's $80 off

1686
01:20:49,470 --> 01:20:47,260
which is reasonably hotel is $49 a night

1687
01:20:51,870 --> 01:20:49,480
it's in Laughlin Nevada and it's

1688
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:51,880
November 6 through 8

1689
01:20:56,939 --> 01:20:55,090
so our early bird finishes February 1st

1690
01:20:59,970 --> 01:20:56,949
because we have to buy all the tickets

1691
01:21:02,310 --> 01:20:59,980
there are foreign speakers we have Jaime

1692
01:21:04,950 --> 01:21:02,320
Mel some from Mexico we have egg on

1693
01:21:08,370 --> 01:21:04,960
cradle from Paris and to South American

1694
01:21:11,339 --> 01:21:08,380
we have see snow paws from contact he's

1695
01:21:14,069 --> 01:21:11,349
amazing from South American and Rob

1696
01:21:16,919 --> 01:21:14,079
roberto gala de la Vega's a scientist

1697
01:21:20,399 --> 01:21:16,929
who I said was working with kids with

1698
01:21:22,470 --> 01:21:20,409
DNA so the you know with the 18 speakers

1699
01:21:25,169 --> 01:21:22,480
the three days the geology everything

1700
01:21:28,350 --> 01:21:25,179
included it's not like it's all one

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01:21:31,470 --> 01:21:28,360
package and it's available only till

1702
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:31,480
February first yeah James Fox's new

1703
01:21:36,509 --> 01:21:35,050
movie is going to be incredible and

1704
01:21:38,740 --> 01:21:36,519
what's really cool about that you're

1705
01:21:42,189 --> 01:21:38,750
going to have the screening there

1706
01:21:45,970 --> 01:21:42,199
is that this is going to be for the

1707
01:21:48,729 --> 01:21:45,980
first time a major theatrical release

1708
01:21:52,030 --> 01:21:48,739
they're talking about between 600,000

1709
01:21:54,220 --> 01:21:52,040
screens across the country and what a

1710
01:21:57,819 --> 01:21:54,230
way to push this forward I was talking

1711
01:22:01,209 --> 01:21:57,829
to him this weekend and James and he

1712
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:01,219
actually said he goes Jimmy I'm gonna

1713
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:03,650
send you I'm gonna send you the movie in

1714
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:07,130
two weeks and it's it's just about done

1715
01:22:14,350 --> 01:22:10,250
and so I'm going to get a sneak peek at

1716
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:14,360
it before the music gets added and I can

1717
01:22:19,270 --> 01:22:17,449
I cannot wait for this film and for it

1718
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:19,280
to be screened up there in Laughlin with

1719
01:22:22,180 --> 01:22:20,690
you it's going to be incredible I can't

1720
01:22:23,799 --> 01:22:22,190
wait to be a part of it it's gonna be

1721
01:22:27,370 --> 01:22:23,809
great it's gonna be a great weekend

1722
01:22:32,890 --> 01:22:27,380
really really looking forward to it I

1723
01:22:34,780 --> 01:22:32,900
wanted to ask you about mountains what

1724
01:22:36,879 --> 01:22:34,790
is you know you know you have Mount

1725
01:22:39,669 --> 01:22:36,889
Shasta and you have Mount Adams and you

1726
01:22:42,549 --> 01:22:39,679
have the stuff that's going on in in

1727
01:22:45,879 --> 01:22:42,559
Peru and Chile and Argentina there

1728
01:22:48,669 --> 01:22:45,889
always seems to be a mountain involved I

1729
01:22:53,229 --> 01:22:48,679
have been there I have seen it there's a

1730
01:22:59,140 --> 01:22:53,239
reason for this and what is it you're

1731
01:23:03,240 --> 01:22:59,150
absolutely right in Mount Shasta you

1732
01:23:06,459 --> 01:23:03,250
know everybody says there's there's a

1733
01:23:09,569 --> 01:23:06,469
some kind of base inside or some kind of

1734
01:23:13,060 --> 01:23:09,579
ancient knowledge inside Mount Shasta

1735
01:23:17,470 --> 01:23:13,070
it's it's some kind of ancient vortex

1736
01:23:19,780 --> 01:23:17,480
their electromagnetic anomaly that's

1737
01:23:21,430 --> 01:23:19,790
around there that all the groups go

1738
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:21,440
there they go there because stuff

1739
01:23:29,189 --> 01:23:26,449
happens in in Peru las Quran is an

1740
01:23:32,049 --> 01:23:29,199
amazing mountain when we arrived there I

1741
01:23:34,780 --> 01:23:32,059
was in shock I looked at this thing and

1742
01:23:36,819 --> 01:23:34,790
I said that thing is alive whatever's in

1743
01:23:39,970 --> 01:23:36,829
that mountain is alive I could feel the

1744
01:23:43,839 --> 01:23:39,980
mountain in in Chile

1745
01:23:47,229 --> 01:23:43,849
it was the volcano Lika Kabul and and

1746
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:47,239
that volcano has all kinds of paranormal

1747
01:23:52,270 --> 01:23:48,770
activity around it

1748
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:52,280
III don't know why it's these maybe

1749
01:23:56,950 --> 01:23:53,890
because they're you know ancient

1750
01:23:59,620 --> 01:23:56,960
geological structures I don't know what

1751
01:24:01,720 --> 01:23:59,630
the reason is I just know that when

1752
01:24:06,370 --> 01:24:01,730
these and Mount Adams I've been to the

1753
01:24:09,010 --> 01:24:06,380
Gilliland ranch and and so evidently

1754
01:24:12,550 --> 01:24:09,020
it's some kind of resting place or some

1755
01:24:14,890 --> 01:24:12,560
kind of contact place for another

1756
01:24:16,660 --> 01:24:14,900
dimension I'm not going to say UFOs

1757
01:24:20,850 --> 01:24:16,670
because I think a lot of stuff happen

1758
01:24:23,710 --> 01:24:20,860
around these places and what about

1759
01:24:28,180 --> 01:24:23,720
Xandra and the crafts that you saw in

1760
01:24:32,620 --> 01:24:28,190
South America well you know when I was

1761
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:32,630
in Peru we were trying to film UFOs as

1762
01:24:37,900 --> 01:24:35,330
usual and the UFOs were not coming out

1763
01:24:42,490 --> 01:24:37,910
so we were there with Rob Freeman that

1764
01:24:44,980 --> 01:24:42,500
has these five you know infrared cameras

1765
01:24:47,500 --> 01:24:44,990
a night screening cameras he had six of

1766
01:24:49,780 --> 01:24:47,510
these all set up nothing happened

1767
01:24:52,870 --> 01:24:49,790
and we're looking you know to see

1768
01:24:54,310 --> 01:24:52,880
capture the ultimate moment I wasn't

1769
01:24:56,650 --> 01:24:54,320
there for that reason I was there

1770
01:25:00,310 --> 01:24:56,660
because it was Ricardo Gonzalez was the

1771
01:25:02,530 --> 01:25:00,320
contact he who's able to time when the

1772
01:25:05,170 --> 01:25:02,540
contact happens he has groups in Mount

1773
01:25:07,540 --> 01:25:05,180
Shasta every year but they're all in

1774
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:07,550
Spanish and they're usually in September

1775
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:10,010
and if there's going to be a sighting he

1776
01:25:15,430 --> 01:25:12,410
knows the exact time I've been with him

1777
01:25:18,790 --> 01:25:15,440
three times one-time grant Cameron was

1778
01:25:21,430 --> 01:25:18,800
there he made to appear it and I mean I

1779
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:21,440
think he said it was nine ten minutes

1780
01:25:25,480 --> 01:25:23,090
past 9:00 and sure enough 10 minutes

1781
01:25:28,630 --> 01:25:25,490
plant signers craftsman's over flashes

1782
01:25:32,490 --> 01:25:28,640
grant for five minutes and goes on so

1783
01:25:36,130 --> 01:25:32,500
he's able to predict so we went with him

1784
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:36,140
while we were filming I had this feeling

1785
01:25:40,030 --> 01:25:38,090
this strange feeling somebody was

1786
01:25:43,750 --> 01:25:40,040
watching us and sometimes you just have

1787
01:25:45,570 --> 01:25:43,760
to use your gut your gut feeling so I

1788
01:25:48,490 --> 01:25:45,580
wasn't going to go but then I waited

1789
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:48,500
long enough so I heard a voice inside

1790
01:25:53,410 --> 01:25:50,570
say get up so I walked over to this

1791
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:53,420
corner the cameraman walked over with me

1792
01:25:58,300 --> 01:25:55,010
he didn't bring his camera and another

1793
01:26:02,110 --> 01:25:58,310
person and we saw this tree entirely

1794
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:02,120
light up in a dome shape light that went

1795
01:26:06,070 --> 01:26:05,210
around the tree and you know all three

1796
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:06,080
of us eyes

1797
01:26:10,210 --> 01:26:07,970
it was it was and this was about

1798
01:26:12,610 --> 01:26:10,220
midnight and we call it Ricardo and we

1799
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:12,620
said what should we do and he said we're

1800
01:26:18,910 --> 01:26:15,650
not going there he said he sought to he

1801
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:18,920
said it's it's just a manifestation for

1802
01:26:24,820 --> 01:26:21,530
us but he didn't think we should walk

1803
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:24,830
over to it when I was in Shasta

1804
01:26:30,820 --> 01:26:27,290
I was with seven people and there was a

1805
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:30,830
manifestation inside the forest and and

1806
01:26:36,550 --> 01:26:33,290
he predicted that he wasn't with us but

1807
01:26:39,220 --> 01:26:36,560
I was with seven people and they were

1808
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:39,230
women who didn't speak English this is

1809
01:26:43,990 --> 01:26:42,050
the other thing I'm with these people

1810
01:26:46,120 --> 01:26:44,000
from for I don't know what to do because

1811
01:26:49,750 --> 01:26:46,130
I'm not understanding anything anybody's

1812
01:26:53,350 --> 01:26:49,760
saying but I have been I have assisted

1813
01:26:57,010 --> 01:26:53,360
at physical manifestations of this

1814
01:26:59,380 --> 01:26:57,020
phenomena whether it's a portal opening

1815
01:27:01,960 --> 01:26:59,390
or a being standing there and in Shasta

1816
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:01,970
it was a ten-foot tall man that was

1817
01:27:07,480 --> 01:27:04,370
standing in the trees like I mean right

1818
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:07,490
against a tree and we all saw it

1819
01:27:12,190 --> 01:27:10,130
and and grant has it on is YouTube

1820
01:27:14,860 --> 01:27:12,200
because he interviewed all the people

1821
01:27:15,670 --> 01:27:14,870
that were with me so it was very very

1822
01:27:18,370 --> 01:27:15,680
interesting

1823
01:27:21,370 --> 01:27:18,380
it's it shows but I don't think that

1824
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:21,380
they walked off a spaceship walk over to

1825
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:23,930
a tree and did all of that I think they

1826
01:27:29,830 --> 01:27:27,290
can appear and disappear at will I think

1827
01:27:32,890 --> 01:27:29,840
that they have a reason to have you look

1828
01:27:37,210 --> 01:27:32,900
at them or show that you know themselves

1829
01:27:39,070 --> 01:27:37,220
to you or open a portal they there's an

1830
01:27:41,860 --> 01:27:39,080
obligation to talk about it there's an

1831
01:27:44,230 --> 01:27:41,870
obligation to deal with this so I think

1832
01:27:46,780 --> 01:27:44,240
they're doing it so that you know you

1833
01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:46,790
can talk about it to other people and

1834
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:50,690
make it more normal then then then the

1835
01:27:56,410 --> 01:27:53,090
crazy paranormal stuff that you know

1836
01:27:59,020 --> 01:27:56,420
we've read about in the past so for me

1837
01:28:01,990 --> 01:27:59,030
the paranormal or the the appearance of

1838
01:28:04,660 --> 01:28:02,000
these things and I saw UFOs coming out

1839
01:28:07,450 --> 01:28:04,670
of Mount Adams at the Gila on the ranch

1840
01:28:08,830 --> 01:28:07,460
to accept you know the reactions a

1841
01:28:10,570 --> 01:28:08,840
little bit different with the Spanish

1842
01:28:15,550 --> 01:28:10,580
people they don't open their mouth they

1843
01:28:17,770 --> 01:28:15,560
don't say anything they meditate you

1844
01:28:20,019 --> 01:28:17,780
know I've seen these I've seen these

1845
01:28:23,799 --> 01:28:20,029
manifestations

1846
01:28:30,339 --> 01:28:23,809
the the phenomenon while we're talking

1847
01:28:34,149 --> 01:28:30,349
about a portal opening up is the is the

1848
01:28:37,029 --> 01:28:34,159
portal in a consistent place right or

1849
01:28:39,369 --> 01:28:37,039
does it move in that I've heard at Mount

1850
01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:39,379
Shasta you go up this certain path and

1851
01:28:44,979 --> 01:28:40,489
there's an you know and they know

1852
01:28:48,899 --> 01:28:44,989
specifically where to go and I find that

1853
01:28:54,749 --> 01:28:48,909
part interesting but is the portal

1854
01:29:02,169 --> 01:28:59,889
am I asking this the right way yeah yeah

1855
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:02,179
but it's all you know like my book it's

1856
01:29:07,089 --> 01:29:04,489
all the above you know and when when

1857
01:29:09,239 --> 01:29:07,099
people ask me is the paranormal as a

1858
01:29:11,469 --> 01:29:09,249
physical is an interdimensional it's a

1859
01:29:14,079 --> 01:29:11,479
interplanetary and it goes all that it's

1860
01:29:15,909 --> 01:29:14,089
all of it in Mount Shasta there was a

1861
01:29:18,399 --> 01:29:15,919
portal but it would look like a magic

1862
01:29:20,769 --> 01:29:18,409
carpet of Mister came up it was not a

1863
01:29:23,649 --> 01:29:20,779
dome and it and I don't think it's there

1864
01:29:25,629 --> 01:29:23,659
anymore cuz I've been there several

1865
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:25,639
times since and it's not there anymore

1866
01:29:31,719 --> 01:29:29,449
so it was there it appeared and I had to

1867
01:29:33,909 --> 01:29:31,729
wait until it appeared because Ricardo

1868
01:29:37,059 --> 01:29:33,919
said wait until it comes up off the

1869
01:29:39,189 --> 01:29:37,069
ground so that you can have the

1870
01:29:43,029 --> 01:29:39,199
experience you have you have to stand in

1871
01:29:45,429 --> 01:29:43,039
it so in that when I was in Chester it

1872
01:29:47,649 --> 01:29:45,439
was not something that's there all the

1873
01:29:51,099 --> 01:29:47,659
time and that's the problem I really

1874
01:29:52,689 --> 01:29:51,109
think there's a lot of people and our

1875
01:29:54,999 --> 01:29:52,699
intelligence community and so forth that

1876
01:29:56,619 --> 01:29:55,009
want to look for the portals and I don't

1877
01:29:59,469 --> 01:29:56,629
think they're there all the time I think

1878
01:30:01,179 --> 01:29:59,479
there are some portals I talked I did

1879
01:30:04,269 --> 01:30:01,189
the dan burisch case I don't know if you

1880
01:30:08,009 --> 01:30:04,279
remember dan burisch where he talked

1881
01:30:11,319 --> 01:30:08,019
about there being a physical portal in

1882
01:30:13,659 --> 01:30:11,329
near Giza pyramid that was there all the

1883
01:30:15,399 --> 01:30:13,669
time that people know about that in the

1884
01:30:19,569 --> 01:30:15,409
Middle East there are some physical

1885
01:30:24,369 --> 01:30:19,579
portals that are known to the ancients

1886
01:30:26,769 --> 01:30:24,379
that they used in in you know that and

1887
01:30:29,289 --> 01:30:26,779
they he talked about that but I think

1888
01:30:32,639 --> 01:30:29,299
it's all of it I don't think that what

1889
01:30:33,879 --> 01:30:32,649
happened around that tree in Peru was

1890
01:30:35,890 --> 01:30:33,889
something

1891
01:30:38,350 --> 01:30:35,900
was there all the time I think it was

1892
01:30:39,700 --> 01:30:38,360
there to get our attention so I want to

1893
01:30:42,340 --> 01:30:39,710
encourage your listeners and know that

1894
01:30:45,879 --> 01:30:42,350
if something happens the reason is it

1895
01:30:48,220 --> 01:30:45,889
wants to get your attention did the tree

1896
01:30:48,879 --> 01:30:48,230
I wanted to go back to that I'm glad you

1897
01:30:52,359 --> 01:30:48,889
brought it up

1898
01:30:55,030 --> 01:30:52,369
did the tree illuminate or was there a

1899
01:30:57,520 --> 01:30:55,040
craft or something physical above the

1900
01:30:58,840 --> 01:30:57,530
tree illuminating down help me

1901
01:31:01,780 --> 01:30:58,850
understand what you were seeing

1902
01:31:06,459 --> 01:31:01,790
I think the tree illuminated because

1903
01:31:10,180 --> 01:31:06,469
somebody was behind it oh my god I thank

1904
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:10,190
the 'true because that's what I saw the

1905
01:31:15,910 --> 01:31:13,610
last time I think that that they don't

1906
01:31:18,220 --> 01:31:15,920
just come down and walk off of a ladder

1907
01:31:22,330 --> 01:31:18,230
and there I think that what happens is

1908
01:31:24,790 --> 01:31:22,340
some kind of change in the atmosphere

1909
01:31:27,220 --> 01:31:24,800
some kind of change where you're

1910
01:31:29,500 --> 01:31:27,230
standing and and the interviews I did by

1911
01:31:32,050 --> 01:31:29,510
the layer in my book all of the above

1912
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:32,060
and beyond I did four interviews in

1913
01:31:37,149 --> 01:31:35,330
South America where these South American

1914
01:31:39,970 --> 01:31:37,159
contactees are telling me they camp in

1915
01:31:43,060 --> 01:31:39,980
the chilka desert that at a certain time

1916
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:43,070
they feel like some something is going

1917
01:31:49,270 --> 01:31:46,730
to happen they walk in groups that a big

1918
01:31:52,330 --> 01:31:49,280
dome opens up and the being is standing

1919
01:31:54,609 --> 01:31:52,340
inside and they often say that they get

1920
01:31:57,189 --> 01:31:54,619
a feeling of nausea and sickness because

1921
01:31:59,620 --> 01:31:57,199
it could be that it's an atmosphere they

1922
01:32:01,720 --> 01:31:59,630
can both breathe in they can both

1923
01:32:05,080 --> 01:32:01,730
breathe in the atmosphere to communicate

1924
01:32:06,669 --> 01:32:05,090
and and in my book all of the above and

1925
01:32:08,979 --> 01:32:06,679
beyond they go into detail there's even

1926
01:32:12,669 --> 01:32:08,989
drawings of what they described they

1927
01:32:16,359 --> 01:32:12,679
went through you know and and I believe

1928
01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:16,369
the senders per se are in Latin America

1929
01:32:19,450 --> 01:32:18,170
I don't think they come to I don't think

1930
01:32:22,270 --> 01:32:19,460
we have him in the state so we could

1931
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:22,280
have like I said dismissed coming up but

1932
01:32:27,459 --> 01:32:25,130
I think the actual end Resendiz happened

1933
01:32:28,090 --> 01:32:27,469
more in the chilka desert and i've been

1934
01:32:30,669 --> 01:32:28,100
there

1935
01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:30,679
that was weird because our van broke

1936
01:32:35,740 --> 01:32:32,210
down in the middle of the chilka desert

1937
01:32:38,229 --> 01:32:35,750
and there was no it was no self-service

1938
01:32:41,109 --> 01:32:38,239
we had to be rescued at midnight I mean

1939
01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:41,119
I've lived a life of James Bond I swear

1940
01:32:47,169 --> 01:32:43,730
yeah I saw those I saw those pictures of

1941
01:32:47,709 --> 01:32:47,179
you guys on the side of the road oh my

1942
01:32:50,020 --> 01:32:47,719
god

1943
01:32:51,939 --> 01:32:50,030
like I wasn't scared I was trying to

1944
01:32:55,089 --> 01:32:51,949
have faith that we that everything would

1945
01:32:58,209 --> 01:32:55,099
be okay and but it was an adventure and

1946
01:33:01,419 --> 01:32:58,219
I think the only way that you can really

1947
01:33:03,910 --> 01:33:01,429
research this is do it on location you

1948
01:33:04,660 --> 01:33:03,920
can't read about it and nobody can tell

1949
01:33:07,989 --> 01:33:04,670
you about it

1950
01:33:10,629 --> 01:33:07,999
so Peru was an experience for me and

1951
01:33:12,850 --> 01:33:10,639
then at a comma the Cogdill actually

1952
01:33:14,319 --> 01:33:12,860
predicted when that 13 minute sighting

1953
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:14,329
was going to happen so all the cameras

1954
01:33:19,359 --> 01:33:16,610
were ready so we got it we got it it was

1955
01:33:22,390 --> 01:33:19,369
the last Sunday of that and that's in

1956
01:33:26,919 --> 01:33:22,400
Rob Freeman's film one of those craft

1957
01:33:31,029 --> 01:33:26,929
look like again that's at night so what

1958
01:33:34,209 --> 01:33:31,039
you have is a striking bright light that

1959
01:33:38,290 --> 01:33:34,219
stands static and flashes that interview

1960
01:33:40,089 --> 01:33:38,300
at intervals it flashes it doesn't move

1961
01:33:40,719 --> 01:33:40,099
it's not a settle plus we checked

1962
01:33:43,509 --> 01:33:40,729
everything

1963
01:33:44,890 --> 01:33:43,519
satellite Iridium flares there were no

1964
01:33:46,989 --> 01:33:44,900
planes because the Atacama Desert

1965
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:46,999
doesn't have a you know doesn't have

1966
01:33:50,259 --> 01:33:48,010
planes

1967
01:33:52,509 --> 01:33:50,269
manok light and lake crest don't know

1968
01:33:55,089 --> 01:33:52,519
where I have some land there's so many

1969
01:33:57,959 --> 01:33:55,099
planes you can't you know tell anything

1970
01:34:01,750 --> 01:33:57,969
from anything but if this was a bright

1971
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:01,760
blinding white white so white that I

1972
01:34:08,290 --> 01:34:04,010
can't even explain it like that just

1973
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:08,300
flashed it flash actually I think it was

1974
01:34:14,379 --> 01:34:12,530
13 minutes so we were all finally you

1975
01:34:16,209 --> 01:34:14,389
know there but he also he has the

1976
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:16,219
ability to think one's going to happen

1977
01:34:23,589 --> 01:34:19,610
which is never not no other contact he's

1978
01:34:26,529 --> 01:34:23,599
from Argentina has been able to put the

1979
01:34:28,330 --> 01:34:26,539
time on it so in that was really

1980
01:34:30,399 --> 01:34:28,340
interesting and then other things

1981
01:34:33,729 --> 01:34:30,409
happened were you know we were in the

1982
01:34:37,779 --> 01:34:33,739
desert so you can imagine like what what

1983
01:34:39,819 --> 01:34:37,789
happened well one of the Spanish guys

1984
01:34:42,609 --> 01:34:39,829
that was with us I told them to use the

1985
01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:42,619
earth to use the what he call it laser

1986
01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:44,690
when it you know when when the

1987
01:34:47,500 --> 01:34:46,130
manifestation is going to happen and he

1988
01:34:50,979 --> 01:34:47,510
disappeared so I thought where is he

1989
01:34:52,660 --> 01:34:50,989
going and he was following what the

1990
01:34:56,229 --> 01:34:52,670
Spanish called a cannula

1991
01:34:59,649 --> 01:34:56,239
which is a orange orb that was ground

1992
01:35:01,510 --> 01:34:59,659
level he followed it into the forest and

1993
01:35:04,120 --> 01:35:01,520
was so we followed him

1994
01:35:05,590 --> 01:35:04,130
we can't find this guy so we went into

1995
01:35:06,460 --> 01:35:05,600
the force and we all ended up in the

1996
01:35:09,790 --> 01:35:06,470
same place

1997
01:35:12,820 --> 01:35:09,800
that's something manifested itself and

1998
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:12,830
and he was supposed to be where were

1999
01:35:19,150 --> 01:35:15,530
robbed was filming instead he followed

2000
01:35:21,370 --> 01:35:19,160
this orange orb so they call them

2001
01:35:25,900 --> 01:35:21,380
Kannapolis and what they are is not

2002
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:25,910
scouts what do you call the them it like

2003
01:35:33,690 --> 01:35:28,570
it's a scout it's a small circular

2004
01:35:37,240 --> 01:35:33,700
device that like a drone or probe a

2005
01:35:39,670 --> 01:35:37,250
probe you got it it's a probe so if you

2006
01:35:42,610 --> 01:35:39,680
study the South American cases and

2007
01:35:46,420 --> 01:35:42,620
that's in my book usually a probe comes

2008
01:35:49,060 --> 01:35:46,430
down which it's very now this is not

2009
01:35:52,530 --> 01:35:49,070
everybody this is the group from Latin

2010
01:35:57,970 --> 01:35:52,540
America that meet with human type beings

2011
01:36:01,300 --> 01:35:57,980
the when we talk about portals and these

2012
01:36:02,280 --> 01:36:01,310
beings showing themselves whatever they

2013
01:36:06,190 --> 01:36:02,290
may be

2014
01:36:08,590 --> 01:36:06,200
could this be tied to other paranormal

2015
01:36:11,050 --> 01:36:08,600
phenomena such as ghosts and spirits and

2016
01:36:13,030 --> 01:36:11,060
entities that have shown up throughout

2017
01:36:17,170 --> 01:36:13,040
history that people have been talking

2018
01:36:20,680 --> 01:36:17,180
about and we may actually have been

2019
01:36:24,040 --> 01:36:20,690
talking about et or contact this entire

2020
01:36:28,870 --> 01:36:24,050
time but it's it's easy to just say

2021
01:36:31,090 --> 01:36:28,880
ghost or its my dead mother well see

2022
01:36:34,030 --> 01:36:31,100
that's that's what Jacques Vallee writes

2023
01:36:35,650 --> 01:36:34,040
about in passport - magana that's what

2024
01:36:38,260 --> 01:36:35,660
he writes about because he's researched

2025
01:36:41,530 --> 01:36:38,270
all of that which is brilliant I mean if

2026
01:36:48,670 --> 01:36:41,540
you study that yes it could be the only

2027
01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:48,680
thing is that the group on a planet in

2028
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:51,650
Alpha Centauri it's called Apple and

2029
01:36:57,310 --> 01:36:54,410
their messages have been clear and they

2030
01:37:01,000 --> 01:36:57,320
are ecological disaster to the planet

2031
01:37:04,240 --> 01:37:01,010
and their messages to him and the other

2032
01:37:07,750 --> 01:37:04,250
people have been perfectly clear unless

2033
01:37:10,300 --> 01:37:07,760
we do something about the ecology it's

2034
01:37:13,450 --> 01:37:10,310
going to do listen and we're causing a

2035
01:37:14,980 --> 01:37:13,460
lot of it so they tell us they predicted

2036
01:37:19,750 --> 01:37:14,990
three hurricanes that

2037
01:37:22,050 --> 01:37:19,760
we had I think it was in 2015 they

2038
01:37:24,280 --> 01:37:22,060
predicted that we would have those

2039
01:37:27,700 --> 01:37:24,290
because I've been in the Atacama Desert

2040
01:37:31,270 --> 01:37:27,710
twice and the first time it was in the

2041
01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:31,280
valley of the of the moon which was all

2042
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:34,250
sand dunes I mean it was so hard and

2043
01:37:38,350 --> 01:37:36,890
that was the message so I don't think

2044
01:37:40,180 --> 01:37:38,360
they're there to visit I don't think

2045
01:37:42,970 --> 01:37:40,190
they're there to visit anybody or do

2046
01:37:46,900 --> 01:37:42,980
anything they're there and and the story

2047
01:37:49,290 --> 01:37:46,910
is that when he first appeared I think

2048
01:37:51,700 --> 01:37:49,300
it was in the nineteen seventies to a

2049
01:37:54,460 --> 01:37:51,710
hydraulic agent

2050
01:37:56,050 --> 01:37:54,470
Vlada kapitonovich they told him there

2051
01:37:58,380 --> 01:37:56,060
was going to be an earthquake and people

2052
01:38:01,990 --> 01:37:58,390
would die to move the people out of on

2053
01:38:03,130 --> 01:38:02,000
cash-in and he went to the authorities

2054
01:38:05,850 --> 01:38:03,140
and they didn't believe him and sure

2055
01:38:08,530 --> 01:38:05,860
enough the earthquake came and killed

2056
01:38:10,870 --> 01:38:08,540
45,000 people and I'm walking on the

2057
01:38:13,990 --> 01:38:10,880
graves of all these people because we

2058
01:38:16,510 --> 01:38:14,000
filmed the town but these beings told

2059
01:38:18,550 --> 01:38:16,520
them it was gonna happen so what we got

2060
01:38:21,730 --> 01:38:18,560
to look at is that they are time

2061
01:38:23,980 --> 01:38:21,740
travelers they know the possibilities

2062
01:38:26,260 --> 01:38:23,990
I'm not gonna say what's going to happen

2063
01:38:28,660 --> 01:38:26,270
because I don't believe anything is cast

2064
01:38:31,270 --> 01:38:28,670
in stone but when they told Vlad Oh at

2065
01:38:34,750 --> 01:38:31,280
the hydraulic plant under that mountain

2066
01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:34,760
that I was explaining they gave us a

2067
01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:37,370
chance to move those people because half

2068
01:38:41,470 --> 01:38:39,050
the mountain came down in that

2069
01:38:43,690 --> 01:38:41,480
earthquake and so when I walked I was

2070
01:38:46,510 --> 01:38:43,700
very emotional when I walked over the

2071
01:38:48,130 --> 01:38:46,520
graves I mean of all these people they

2072
01:38:50,830 --> 01:38:48,140
put a church there and you could tell

2073
01:38:53,740 --> 01:38:50,840
that that of the devastation that had

2074
01:38:55,420 --> 01:38:53,750
happened but I think we're getting

2075
01:38:57,310 --> 01:38:55,430
warnings whether you want to do it

2076
01:38:59,440 --> 01:38:57,320
telepathically whether you want to do it

2077
01:39:02,050 --> 01:38:59,450
in dreams whether you want to do it and

2078
01:39:05,110 --> 01:39:02,060
messages from ETS and channeling

2079
01:39:08,170 --> 01:39:05,120
whatever you want to do I think we have

2080
01:39:12,190 --> 01:39:08,180
help from people forth for beings in

2081
01:39:14,650 --> 01:39:12,200
high places you just brought up

2082
01:39:17,440 --> 01:39:14,660
channeling and I wanted to talk about

2083
01:39:19,540 --> 01:39:17,450
this earlier when we talk about

2084
01:39:21,640 --> 01:39:19,550
entanglement or communication or

2085
01:39:25,810 --> 01:39:21,650
consciousness and the ability to

2086
01:39:26,700 --> 01:39:25,820
communicate in real time yeah we talked

2087
01:39:30,330 --> 01:39:26,710
about the

2088
01:39:34,740 --> 01:39:30,340
the the 911 I would make from Alpha

2089
01:39:37,350 --> 01:39:34,750
Centauri right the channeling part of it

2090
01:39:39,240 --> 01:39:37,360
I find very very interesting especially

2091
01:39:44,820 --> 01:39:39,250
if it's coming from Alpha Centauri of

2092
01:39:49,020 --> 01:39:44,830
Zeta Reticuli where these these entities

2093
01:39:52,500 --> 01:39:49,030
are speaking apparently here but it's

2094
01:39:54,479 --> 01:39:52,510
always the same message right it's it's

2095
01:39:56,340 --> 01:39:54,489
a message about peace and about the

2096
01:39:59,430 --> 01:39:56,350
future and about our planet

2097
01:40:02,490 --> 01:39:59,440
why would et be concerned about that

2098
01:40:05,100 --> 01:40:02,500
why couldn't they give us something else

2099
01:40:09,270 --> 01:40:05,110
like technology to build a spaceship

2100
01:40:10,770 --> 01:40:09,280
with right why is it always Jimmy I

2101
01:40:14,280 --> 01:40:10,780
think they've already done that part

2102
01:40:15,990 --> 01:40:14,290
what we did with it but I mean just talk

2103
01:40:17,820 --> 01:40:16,000
to Colonel Corso I think that all of the

2104
01:40:20,970 --> 01:40:17,830
crashes they've done it they left the

2105
01:40:23,930 --> 01:40:20,980
ship here a lot of times however I'm not

2106
01:40:27,060 --> 01:40:23,940
a fan of channeling because I don't know

2107
01:40:31,320 --> 01:40:27,070
where it's coming from right and I don't

2108
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:31,330
know I'm not really a fan of channeling

2109
01:40:35,550 --> 01:40:33,010
in front of a lot of people because I

2110
01:40:40,140 --> 01:40:35,560
don't believe you could have aliens on

2111
01:40:43,380 --> 01:40:40,150
demand eg thundermutt the others show up

2112
01:40:46,470 --> 01:40:43,390
right here because I'm here the agenda

2113
01:40:48,300 --> 01:40:46,480
for extraterrestrial cultures is in

2114
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:48,310
their hands it's not in ours they show

2115
01:40:53,700 --> 01:40:51,370
up when they want to show up and I and

2116
01:40:57,180 --> 01:40:53,710
when you say et if we're talking about

2117
01:40:59,790 --> 01:40:57,190
like 57 different brands they all have

2118
01:41:01,800 --> 01:40:59,800
different agendas and the messages are

2119
01:41:04,200 --> 01:41:01,810
not all the same I'm only talking about

2120
01:41:06,570 --> 01:41:04,210
the opinions because for people to want

2121
01:41:09,200 --> 01:41:06,580
to read the book it's Ricardo Gonzalez

2122
01:41:13,530 --> 01:41:09,210
messages with contact from Apple and

2123
01:41:15,470 --> 01:41:13,540
it's very clear it's very precise they

2124
01:41:22,140 --> 01:41:15,480
even talked about CERN in Switzerland

2125
01:41:24,899 --> 01:41:22,150
it's very precise the the the problem

2126
01:41:27,990 --> 01:41:24,909
that I have with channeling and I think

2127
01:41:30,709 --> 01:41:28,000
some of it is authentic and it is real

2128
01:41:34,470 --> 01:41:30,719
but the problem that I have with it is

2129
01:41:38,459 --> 01:41:34,480
how do you know it's not deception right

2130
01:41:39,710 --> 01:41:38,469
how do you how do you how how are you

2131
01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:39,720
able to determine

2132
01:41:47,540 --> 01:41:44,130
that part well I'm gonna mention just

2133
01:41:52,760 --> 01:41:47,550
the latest because he has book called

2134
01:41:56,150 --> 01:41:52,770
messengers of deception I yeah I really

2135
01:41:58,670 --> 01:41:56,160
believe that that it's all of it I think

2136
01:42:01,340 --> 01:41:58,680
that the ETS are playing a game with us

2137
01:42:03,530 --> 01:42:01,350
that's a hide and seek game it's like

2138
01:42:05,780 --> 01:42:03,540
they appear they disappear they give you

2139
01:42:08,840 --> 01:42:05,790
a message and then they disappear that

2140
01:42:11,540 --> 01:42:08,850
there is no consistent level of of

2141
01:42:13,520 --> 01:42:11,550
contact walking around well you know if

2142
01:42:16,160 --> 01:42:13,530
we talk about the amici's a case and all

2143
01:42:19,670 --> 01:42:16,170
that that's different or a giant rock in

2144
01:42:21,860 --> 01:42:19,680
the 60s that's different but I think

2145
01:42:25,160 --> 01:42:21,870
what's happening now is cat-and-mouse

2146
01:42:28,220 --> 01:42:25,170
game and I think the reason why they're

2147
01:42:31,820 --> 01:42:28,230
doing it that way so we can figure it

2148
01:42:33,710 --> 01:42:31,830
out ourselves we are intelligent enough

2149
01:42:35,140 --> 01:42:33,720
to figure it out have you ever

2150
01:42:37,550 --> 01:42:35,150
communicated

2151
01:42:43,760 --> 01:42:37,560
you've had your sightings you've seen

2152
01:42:46,070 --> 01:42:43,770
things have you communicated no

2153
01:42:47,330 --> 01:42:46,080
communicator no I don't do that kind of

2154
01:42:49,880 --> 01:42:47,340
thing but what's happened to me is

2155
01:42:52,250 --> 01:42:49,890
weirdness for instance after the stuff

2156
01:42:54,890 --> 01:42:52,260
in Shafter my phone used to do Morse

2157
01:42:57,980 --> 01:42:54,900
code my television turned on by itself I

2158
01:42:59,510 --> 01:42:57,990
went to a bed-and-breakfast in Creston I

2159
01:43:01,580 --> 01:42:59,520
heard my name called in the middle of

2160
01:43:05,770 --> 01:43:01,590
the night I always asked what do you

2161
01:43:08,750 --> 01:43:05,780
want there was never any answer like

2162
01:43:10,910 --> 01:43:08,760
what I do is like I connect the dots

2163
01:43:14,510 --> 01:43:10,920
I'll just I'll take it is super

2164
01:43:19,490 --> 01:43:14,520
weirdness you know just my phone will

2165
01:43:21,620 --> 01:43:19,500
dial another phone by itself on the

2166
01:43:23,030 --> 01:43:21,630
table a little dial and then I call the

2167
01:43:27,650 --> 01:43:23,040
person and I'm supposed to be doing

2168
01:43:31,070 --> 01:43:27,660
something with them that is the kind of

2169
01:43:33,260 --> 01:43:31,080
stuff that's happening to me and it's I

2170
01:43:37,430 --> 01:43:33,270
think it's directed I think it's

2171
01:43:39,680 --> 01:43:37,440
intelligent but I never get whole

2172
01:43:41,990 --> 01:43:39,690
messages or you know communicate with

2173
01:43:44,660 --> 01:43:42,000
anything I don't think I stay still

2174
01:43:47,090 --> 01:43:44,670
enough I don't meditate I don't my mind

2175
01:43:50,710 --> 01:43:47,100
is never still I'm always running around

2176
01:43:52,660 --> 01:43:50,720
crazy so they don't have a chance to get

2177
01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:52,670
so they have to do some

2178
01:43:57,070 --> 01:43:55,010
we were like turn the TV on you know out

2179
01:44:00,400 --> 01:43:57,080
of the clear blue sky or do Morse code

2180
01:44:03,370 --> 01:44:00,410
on my phone yeah I've never had with all

2181
01:44:06,310 --> 01:44:03,380
the sightings I've never had any like

2182
01:44:08,320 --> 01:44:06,320
direct communication and I've seen

2183
01:44:11,560 --> 01:44:08,330
things I've been with groups of people

2184
01:44:14,920 --> 01:44:11,570
you know this have been massive and have

2185
01:44:17,170 --> 01:44:14,930
had the most amazing experiences but

2186
01:44:21,250 --> 01:44:17,180
I've never communicated I've never had

2187
01:44:26,760 --> 01:44:21,260
anything telepathically reach out of net

2188
01:44:29,190 --> 01:44:26,770
no no I have not experienced that I

2189
01:44:31,570 --> 01:44:29,200
suppose now that I've said it I've just

2190
01:44:33,730 --> 01:44:31,580
manifested it I guess that'll be next

2191
01:44:36,820 --> 01:44:33,740
right no that was just what I'm gonna

2192
01:44:41,770 --> 01:44:36,830
tell you will you put the word yet after

2193
01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:41,780
it yes yes because I think it's a

2194
01:44:45,160 --> 01:44:42,410
process

2195
01:44:47,230 --> 01:44:45,170
I work nuts and bolts I mean my god

2196
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:47,240
putting pins and maps and I didn't want

2197
01:44:52,480 --> 01:44:49,850
to know anything about contact and I did

2198
01:44:53,980 --> 01:44:52,490
nuts and bolts try about 15 to 20 years

2199
01:44:57,370 --> 01:44:53,990
I don't want to know anything and that

2200
01:44:59,830 --> 01:44:57,380
all at once I go from that to going to

2201
01:45:02,640 --> 01:44:59,840
the deserts and in in Latin America I

2202
01:45:06,490 --> 01:45:02,650
mean who is writing this script right

2203
01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:06,500
I'm gonna see you in four weeks here in

2204
01:45:11,050 --> 01:45:08,810
Los Angeles for the conscious life Expo

2205
01:45:14,890 --> 01:45:11,060
and it's going to be amazing what are

2206
01:45:18,010 --> 01:45:14,900
you speaking about this year well I'm

2207
01:45:19,960 --> 01:45:18,020
speaking about the paranormal actually

2208
01:45:24,760 --> 01:45:19,970
on a little weirdness that happened I'm

2209
01:45:28,750 --> 01:45:24,770
going to talk about the the future and

2210
01:45:30,430 --> 01:45:28,760
how we can approach ufology and then I'd

2211
01:45:34,030 --> 01:45:30,440
like to have on the stage with me Paul

2212
01:45:36,910 --> 01:45:34,040
Hynek so you know I you know I'd like

2213
01:45:39,490 --> 01:45:36,920
him to talk about his view of artificial

2214
01:45:41,380 --> 01:45:39,500
intelligence intelligence I would love

2215
01:45:45,850 --> 01:45:41,390
to have somebody like Jacques Vallee who

2216
01:45:48,040 --> 01:45:45,860
got his PhD in official intelligence and

2217
01:45:50,710 --> 01:45:48,050
really talks about it too but Paul is

2218
01:45:53,020 --> 01:45:50,720
very interested in it what they're doing

2219
01:45:54,850 --> 01:45:53,030
with it they're using it in Hollywood

2220
01:45:57,730 --> 01:45:54,860
with all the movies I guess they're the

2221
01:46:00,060 --> 01:45:57,740
Avatar to is coming out and there's all

2222
01:46:03,850 --> 01:46:00,070
these movies that they use a lot of AI

2223
01:46:06,860 --> 01:46:03,860
in there and he's like a little kid he's

2224
01:46:09,200 --> 01:46:06,870
all excited about it but Mike talking

2225
01:46:12,920 --> 01:46:09,210
I'll be above and beyond in other words

2226
01:46:16,760 --> 01:46:12,930
all the UFO stuff and beyond the UFO

2227
01:46:20,240 --> 01:46:16,770
stuff so to push people into another

2228
01:46:22,700 --> 01:46:20,250
paradigm it's gonna be great I look

2229
01:46:24,290 --> 01:46:22,710
forward to it and thank you so much

2230
01:46:26,330 --> 01:46:24,300
everybody can reach out to you directly

2231
01:46:30,830 --> 01:46:26,340
at Starworks usa.com

2232
01:46:34,340 --> 01:46:30,840
correct yes they can thank you Thank You

2233
01:46:37,340 --> 01:46:34,350
Paula safe travels will break bread you

2234
01:46:40,550 --> 01:46:37,350
read in I in three and a half weeks here

2235
01:46:42,200 --> 01:46:40,560
in Los Angeles thank you so much looking

2236
01:46:44,540 --> 01:46:42,210
forward to it thank you

2237
01:46:47,150 --> 01:46:44,550
it's gonna be great and I am going to

2238
01:46:50,530 --> 01:46:47,160
take a break right here this is fated by

2239
01:46:54,530 --> 01:46:50,540
Thank You Paula Harris and again

2240
01:46:56,870 --> 01:46:54,540
conscious life Expo comm star works

2241
01:46:59,300 --> 01:46:56,880
usa.com both links are over at Jimmy

2242
01:47:01,230 --> 01:46:59,310
Church radio.com and I'll be right back

2243
01:47:13,860 --> 01:47:01,240
after this short break stay with us

2244
01:47:18,669 --> 01:47:16,720
all right welcome back fade to black

2245
01:47:23,140 --> 01:47:18,679
I'm your host Jimmy Church Thank You

2246
01:47:25,660 --> 01:47:23,150
Paula Harris great great conversations

2247
01:47:31,360 --> 01:47:25,670
are watching this show just flew by it

2248
01:47:35,439 --> 01:47:31,370
did it did star works usa.com is the

2249
01:47:38,169 --> 01:47:35,449
link for Paula and she has early bird

2250
01:47:40,180 --> 01:47:38,179
pricing right now for her conference

2251
01:47:43,149 --> 01:47:40,190
that's coming up in November I will be

2252
01:47:46,149 --> 01:47:43,159
there I am going to speak I'm gonna hang

2253
01:47:48,100 --> 01:47:46,159
out it's gonna be awesome so I'll see

2254
01:47:51,550 --> 01:47:48,110
everybody up there in Laughlin Nevada of

2255
01:47:53,669 --> 01:47:51,560
course she will also be at the conscious

2256
01:47:57,419 --> 01:47:53,679
life Expo coming up in four weeks

2257
01:48:00,879 --> 01:47:57,429
unbelievable this is coming up so quick

2258
01:48:02,500 --> 01:48:00,889
now and conscious life Expo com

2259
01:48:04,990 --> 01:48:02,510
alright now I've opened up the phone

2260
01:48:08,290 --> 01:48:05,000
lines and I want to ask everybody a

2261
01:48:12,780 --> 01:48:08,300
question seven four seven two two eight

2262
01:48:18,399 --> 01:48:12,790
two zero five one I wrote this down

2263
01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:18,409
eight nine minutes ago at 9:22 p.m. if

2264
01:48:25,450 --> 01:48:21,050
you were watching on the bunker cam I

2265
01:48:27,399 --> 01:48:25,460
saw something move to my left and

2266
01:48:29,830 --> 01:48:27,409
there's nothing here in the studio by

2267
01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:29,840
the way if you go to the left you can

2268
01:48:34,360 --> 01:48:31,850
see it's something but a couple of

2269
01:48:36,189 --> 01:48:34,370
computers I'll move the camera over you

2270
01:48:40,840 --> 01:48:36,199
can see right there that's what's going

2271
01:48:42,580 --> 01:48:40,850
on okay I've got there's this camera

2272
01:48:45,129 --> 01:48:42,590
there's another camera that one's in the

2273
01:48:47,919 --> 01:48:45,139
way there's computer number one behind

2274
01:48:51,100 --> 01:48:47,929
this camera is another computer you can

2275
01:48:53,260 --> 01:48:51,110
see it there there's a wall there are

2276
01:48:56,500 --> 01:48:53,270
guitars lots of guitars

2277
01:48:59,260 --> 01:48:56,510
there's guitars there it's the little

2278
01:49:01,419 --> 01:48:59,270
alien statue a couple more guitars this

2279
01:49:04,990 --> 01:49:01,429
is a corner there's something here right

2280
01:49:07,149 --> 01:49:05,000
that's a wall right that's a wall there

2281
01:49:10,990 --> 01:49:07,159
there's nothing there and I saw

2282
01:49:15,399 --> 01:49:11,000
something and I reacted to it and it

2283
01:49:18,610 --> 01:49:15,409
came from over here and if you saw it in

2284
01:49:22,209 --> 01:49:18,620
the bunker cam you saw me look and it

2285
01:49:23,740 --> 01:49:22,219
was like a I don't know like a black

2286
01:49:26,020 --> 01:49:23,750
flutter

2287
01:49:31,540 --> 01:49:26,030
I don't know how to explain it I freaked

2288
01:49:32,350 --> 01:49:31,550
out I looked I look twice to see what

2289
01:49:35,260 --> 01:49:32,360
that was

2290
01:49:36,880 --> 01:49:35,270
now if you were looking on the bunker

2291
01:49:40,390 --> 01:49:36,890
cam I'm gonna go back and watch the

2292
01:49:43,240 --> 01:49:40,400
video I have all of this recorded now

2293
01:49:45,310 --> 01:49:43,250
I'm going to watch the video after the

2294
01:49:47,200 --> 01:49:45,320
show tonight but something fluttered did

2295
01:49:50,110 --> 01:49:47,210
you see anything if you were watching on

2296
01:49:52,990 --> 01:49:50,120
the bunker cam and when you saw me look

2297
01:49:56,979 --> 01:49:53,000
over and spent I did it twice because it

2298
01:50:00,670 --> 01:49:56,989
did something look I don't know how to

2299
01:50:04,630 --> 01:50:00,680
explain I look look it could have been

2300
01:50:06,580 --> 01:50:04,640
my imagination but I certainly looked

2301
01:50:10,390 --> 01:50:06,590
and I looked twice did you guys see

2302
01:50:14,200 --> 01:50:10,400
anything in the bunker cam seven four

2303
01:50:15,729 --> 01:50:14,210
seven two two a two zero five one I I

2304
01:50:19,209 --> 01:50:15,739
don't know did something flash on the

2305
01:50:21,610 --> 01:50:19,219
computer screens and I reacted to that

2306
01:50:26,200 --> 01:50:21,620
it but there's no lights over here

2307
01:50:31,590 --> 01:50:26,210
there's nothing it's just a corner Alice

2308
01:50:38,320 --> 01:50:34,900
don't know and I even blinked a couple

2309
01:50:41,650 --> 01:50:38,330
of times to see if it with but but now

2310
01:50:45,160 --> 01:50:41,660
yeah I was kind of weird that was kind

2311
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:45,170
of weird I'm still kind of tripping I

2312
01:50:49,330 --> 01:50:46,010
know

2313
01:50:51,040 --> 01:50:49,340
did you see anything in the bunker cam

2314
01:50:53,380 --> 01:50:51,050
seven four seven two two eight two zero

2315
01:50:55,890 --> 01:50:53,390
five one and it was right at the point

2316
01:50:59,320 --> 01:50:55,900
of the show what we were talking about

2317
01:51:02,380 --> 01:50:59,330
manifestations and portals and and and

2318
01:51:07,810 --> 01:51:02,390
could this be ghosts and as I'm asking

2319
01:51:11,860 --> 01:51:07,820
this quadrant no that's what it felt

2320
01:51:15,459 --> 01:51:11,870
like to me pack and and Rita's going

2321
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:15,469
Jimmy's stop I can already I can I'm

2322
01:51:23,080 --> 01:51:19,850
gonna hear all I know is I reacted to it

2323
01:51:24,910 --> 01:51:23,090
and I did it twice and I was thinking it

2324
01:51:29,860 --> 01:51:24,920
was gonna pop up in Twitter did you see

2325
01:51:32,790 --> 01:51:29,870
that and did did anybody I'm reading

2326
01:51:35,130 --> 01:51:32,800
Twitter now did anybody see anything in

2327
01:51:38,760 --> 01:51:35,140
this direction

2328
01:51:46,030 --> 01:51:38,770
was there a shadow

2329
01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:46,040
yeah nothing's moved Kevin says he

2330
01:51:52,240 --> 01:51:48,890
didn't see anything all right

2331
01:51:55,680 --> 01:51:52,250
that's making me feel a little better

2332
01:51:57,940 --> 01:51:55,690
oh so they would say that I imagined it

2333
01:51:59,860 --> 01:51:57,950
I'd rather have you say there was

2334
01:52:03,070 --> 01:51:59,870
something there don't tell me it was my

2335
01:52:04,300 --> 01:52:03,080
imagination that was pretty trippy those

2336
01:52:11,050 --> 01:52:04,310
K was pretty cool

2337
01:52:12,490 --> 01:52:11,060
and when I looked what I looked and I

2338
01:52:14,380 --> 01:52:12,500
know that you guys can see me on the

2339
01:52:17,140 --> 01:52:14,390
bunker cam so you guys are watching me

2340
01:52:18,280 --> 01:52:17,150
so when I look and I look back to the

2341
01:52:20,200 --> 01:52:18,290
bunker Gamelin thinking to myself

2342
01:52:25,420 --> 01:52:20,210
everybody's watching me hallucinate

2343
01:52:29,290 --> 01:52:25,430
right maybe it was an eye floater okay I

2344
01:52:31,060 --> 01:52:29,300
you know I get that but you guys are

2345
01:52:33,780 --> 01:52:31,070
gonna watch me react to this and I

2346
01:52:37,950 --> 01:52:33,790
didn't want to look I was trying to be

2347
01:52:42,400 --> 01:52:37,960
smooth I guess I don't want to overreact

2348
01:52:44,110 --> 01:52:42,410
but yeah nobody saw anything so hey I'm

2349
01:52:46,780 --> 01:52:44,120
gonna go back and I'm gonna watch the

2350
01:52:49,030 --> 01:52:46,790
video do you guys have the ability on

2351
01:52:56,730 --> 01:52:49,040
the bunker cam I don't even know can you

2352
01:53:05,440 --> 01:53:00,220
that's been 30 years I have no idea I

2353
01:53:08,470 --> 01:53:05,450
would hate to go man see my fear with

2354
01:53:09,970 --> 01:53:08,480
anything like that and that includes DMT

2355
01:53:12,760 --> 01:53:09,980
or ayahuasca or anything that

2356
01:53:17,700 --> 01:53:12,770
everybody's seems to be doing today is

2357
01:53:20,980 --> 01:53:17,710
that at my age I might not come back

2358
01:53:24,280 --> 01:53:20,990
would your young you can rebound

2359
01:53:28,180 --> 01:53:24,290
you can rebound but now I don't do any

2360
01:53:31,240 --> 01:53:28,190
of that fun stuff today but yeah so can

2361
01:53:33,700 --> 01:53:31,250
you rewind the bunker cam I haven't I

2362
01:53:36,550 --> 01:53:33,710
haven't been on the bunker cam in

2363
01:53:39,040 --> 01:53:36,560
probably a year or two so I don't even

2364
01:53:42,070 --> 01:53:39,050
know if we have do you have the ability

2365
01:53:44,710 --> 01:53:42,080
to fast-forward and rewind can you go

2366
01:53:47,310 --> 01:53:44,720
back to and I wrote it down I wrote it

2367
01:53:50,120 --> 01:53:47,320
down when it happened I literally said

2368
01:53:53,070 --> 01:53:50,130
look that's what I wrote

2369
01:53:53,640 --> 01:53:53,080
that's what I wrote and I looked at the

2370
01:53:57,110 --> 01:53:53,650
clock

2371
01:54:02,390 --> 01:53:57,120
and I wrote saw something to my right at

2372
01:54:06,030 --> 01:54:02,400
9:22 p.m. and I wrote it really fast

2373
01:54:10,050 --> 01:54:06,040
yeah it fluttered I can't even say it

2374
01:54:13,200 --> 01:54:10,060
fluttered it fluttered Brian says you

2375
01:54:15,750 --> 01:54:13,210
have no controls there in the bunker

2376
01:54:16,710 --> 01:54:15,760
camp so you can't rewind it okay all

2377
01:54:18,480 --> 01:54:16,720
right well I'm gonna to look at the

2378
01:54:21,810 --> 01:54:18,490
videotape I want to see what I reacted

2379
01:54:25,410 --> 01:54:21,820
to but it was definitely it was

2380
01:54:27,750 --> 01:54:25,420
something there and Sabrina just says my

2381
01:54:31,320 --> 01:54:27,760
internet just went bonkers lost my

2382
01:54:33,870 --> 01:54:31,330
connection no Jimmy you cannot rewind it

2383
01:54:35,910 --> 01:54:33,880
anymore okay oh so you could rewind it

2384
01:54:38,310 --> 01:54:35,920
in the past see I don't know these

2385
01:54:41,100 --> 01:54:38,320
things I'll have to talk to Drew but

2386
01:54:43,530 --> 01:54:41,110
having the ability to rewind with

2387
01:54:45,870 --> 01:54:43,540
something like this for all of you is a

2388
01:54:49,530 --> 01:54:45,880
pretty cool it doesn't happen often in

2389
01:54:50,280 --> 01:54:49,540
the bunker it's a in fact it's never

2390
01:54:53,130 --> 01:54:50,290
happened

2391
01:54:55,080 --> 01:54:53,140
the only other weird thing seven four

2392
01:54:58,740 --> 01:54:55,090
seven two two eight two zero five one oh

2393
01:55:03,860 --> 01:54:58,750
if the phone lines are on number two

2394
01:55:05,970 --> 01:55:03,870
check that now is the earthquake I

2395
01:55:08,130 --> 01:55:05,980
remember that I remember when the

2396
01:55:10,830 --> 01:55:08,140
earthquake happened live Don alive on

2397
01:55:12,690 --> 01:55:10,840
the air and we lost power for a second

2398
01:55:15,420 --> 01:55:12,700
that was pretty trippy that was a long

2399
01:55:18,840 --> 01:55:15,430
time ago other than that the the bunkers

2400
01:55:21,270 --> 01:55:18,850
been pretty stable over the years and

2401
01:55:24,240 --> 01:55:21,280
now we've got and the other thing that

2402
01:55:29,360 --> 01:55:24,250
happened during the earthquake was we

2403
01:55:33,300 --> 01:55:29,370
lost power I don't think we lost the

2404
01:55:36,090 --> 01:55:33,310
internet right the ethernet was still

2405
01:55:38,010 --> 01:55:36,100
running computers went down now I've got

2406
01:55:41,070 --> 01:55:38,020
everything on battery backup and we're

2407
01:55:43,500 --> 01:55:41,080
good for I think about 30 minutes or so

2408
01:55:46,170 --> 01:55:43,510
if we do have a power outage so

2409
01:55:48,560 --> 01:55:46,180
everything the show will continue but

2410
01:55:52,200 --> 01:55:48,570
that's the only other weird thing that

2411
01:55:54,570 --> 01:55:52,210
happened in the bunker this was a this

2412
01:55:58,410 --> 01:55:54,580
is a that's why I'm pretty quick with a

2413
01:56:00,090 --> 01:55:58,420
screen shots yeah did did okay this is

2414
01:56:01,379 --> 01:56:00,100
what I'm asking everybody when you saw

2415
01:56:05,760 --> 01:56:01,389
me react

2416
01:56:08,669 --> 01:56:05,770
I'm asking did you see anything to my

2417
01:56:11,760 --> 01:56:08,679
right which is this direction which I

2418
01:56:14,580 --> 01:56:11,770
don't know is that your left did was

2419
01:56:17,459 --> 01:56:14,590
there anything at the same time it was

2420
01:56:19,590 --> 01:56:17,469
pretty weird it was pretty weird okay

2421
01:56:22,729 --> 01:56:19,600
all right seven four seven two two eight

2422
01:56:25,290 --> 01:56:22,739
two zero five one I am going to check

2423
01:56:28,350 --> 01:56:25,300
the phone lines to make sure that the

2424
01:56:31,890 --> 01:56:28,360
rope'n seven four seven two two eight

2425
01:56:38,010 --> 01:56:31,900
two zero five one and yes it appears

2426
01:56:40,140 --> 01:56:38,020
that I have had them shut off Rita just

2427
01:56:43,229 --> 01:56:40,150
said something tells me you're safe okay

2428
01:56:44,790 --> 01:56:43,239
that's good that's good okay phone lines

2429
01:56:48,270 --> 01:56:44,800
are open seven four seven two two eight

2430
01:56:51,959 --> 01:56:48,280
two zero five one I want to go back and

2431
01:56:56,220 --> 01:56:51,969
speak about what I was ranting on

2432
01:56:58,290 --> 01:56:56,230
earlier tonight which is and it was

2433
01:57:05,520 --> 01:56:58,300
funny how the conversation went this

2434
01:57:08,490 --> 01:57:05,530
direction with Rita says there was

2435
01:57:10,439 --> 01:57:08,500
nothing to the right left above or below

2436
01:57:13,379 --> 01:57:10,449
okay I'm gonna look at the videotape I

2437
01:57:15,570 --> 01:57:13,389
just I want to know I want to know I

2438
01:57:19,490 --> 01:57:15,580
guess Rita went back in and reviewed the

2439
01:57:23,280 --> 01:57:19,500
footage it fluttered whatever it was

2440
01:57:28,310 --> 01:57:23,290
okay going back to my point that I made

2441
01:57:31,229 --> 01:57:28,320
earlier tonight it's a very simple one

2442
01:57:36,780 --> 01:57:31,239
it's very simple as complex as it may

2443
01:57:40,709 --> 01:57:36,790
sound on the surface that if from the

2444
01:57:45,930 --> 01:57:40,719
future looking back to now to this point

2445
01:57:48,300 --> 01:57:45,940
in history this is the turning of events

2446
01:57:51,990 --> 01:57:48,310
this is a turning point this is where

2447
01:57:57,540 --> 01:57:52,000
things have headed into a new direction

2448
01:57:59,280 --> 01:57:57,550
and if we have a a timeline and we can

2449
01:58:01,229 --> 01:57:59,290
go and look at all the time lines the

2450
01:58:05,220 --> 01:58:01,239
the significant events in human history

2451
01:58:07,229 --> 01:58:05,230
and you and you can go and look at these

2452
01:58:09,720 --> 01:58:07,239
specific events the Wright brothers

2453
01:58:12,200 --> 01:58:09,730
Kitty Hawk the landing on the moon the

2454
01:58:14,750 --> 01:58:12,210
building of the Great Pyramid

2455
01:58:16,939 --> 01:58:14,760
Jesus Year Zero

2456
01:58:19,189 --> 01:58:16,949
Patrick whatever you see these

2457
01:58:22,129 --> 01:58:19,199
significant events on those timelines

2458
01:58:25,339 --> 01:58:22,139
well if you go from gobekli tepe to

2459
01:58:27,350 --> 01:58:25,349
today that's 13,000 years and it seems

2460
01:58:30,799 --> 01:58:27,360
like a big chunk of time and we can

2461
01:58:33,040 --> 01:58:30,809
isolate all these significant events but

2462
01:58:35,450 --> 01:58:33,050
if you push all of this to the future

2463
01:58:37,899 --> 01:58:35,460
how and I'm talking about a million

2464
01:58:40,359 --> 01:58:37,909
years fifty thousand years in the future

2465
01:58:44,390 --> 01:58:40,369
hundred thousand years in the future

2466
01:58:49,370 --> 01:58:44,400
million years in the future we are

2467
01:58:50,859 --> 01:58:49,380
ancient man that's how they are going to

2468
01:58:53,930 --> 01:58:50,869
look at us

2469
01:58:56,450 --> 01:58:53,940
ancient man and that is when we went

2470
01:59:02,689 --> 01:58:56,460
from the dark ages as when we went from

2471
01:59:05,569 --> 01:59:02,699
the Stone Age into modern times is the

2472
01:59:07,729 --> 01:59:05,579
year 2020 and they're not going to talk

2473
01:59:10,279 --> 01:59:07,739
about all those other things that we are

2474
01:59:15,009 --> 01:59:10,289
looking at as significant today because

2475
01:59:18,819 --> 01:59:15,019
on that type of timeline that dot for

2476
01:59:21,049 --> 01:59:18,829
2020 is going to encompass everything

2477
01:59:24,799 --> 01:59:21,059
they're not going to be concerned with

2478
01:59:28,250 --> 01:59:24,809
Galileo or the Wright brothers it's all

2479
01:59:30,859 --> 01:59:28,260
one thing where we came out of the Dark

2480
01:59:34,100 --> 01:59:30,869
Ages and went into modern civilization

2481
01:59:38,209 --> 01:59:34,110
and technology and it's it's the only

2482
01:59:41,689 --> 01:59:38,219
way to look at it there is no other way

2483
01:59:45,350 --> 01:59:41,699
and we are at that point in history we

2484
01:59:47,660 --> 01:59:45,360
are at the beginning of it we're at the

2485
01:59:51,560 --> 01:59:47,670
very beginning the last hundred years

2486
01:59:56,240 --> 01:59:51,570
has been that significant it's been the

2487
01:59:58,100 --> 01:59:56,250
grand change for Humanity and we are

2488
02:00:00,080 --> 01:59:58,110
here to live it let's go to the phones

2489
02:00:03,020 --> 02:00:00,090
hi you're live on fade to black who's

2490
02:00:06,259 --> 02:00:03,030
calling hey Jimmy

2491
02:00:11,240 --> 02:00:06,269
the wicked Ranger instead nothing hi how

2492
02:00:16,819 --> 02:00:11,250
are you doing yeah yeah happy new year

2493
02:00:18,410 --> 02:00:16,829
everything good there Jimmy enjoying the

2494
02:00:21,169 --> 02:00:18,420
show I haven't checked it's a lot that I

2495
02:00:22,220 --> 02:00:21,179
give me a call what you think of the

2496
02:00:25,700 --> 02:00:22,230
conversation tonight

2497
02:00:28,750 --> 02:00:25,710
oh she was cold you know she's with it

2498
02:00:33,770 --> 02:00:28,760
you know she's dead and it's all good

2499
02:00:37,520 --> 02:00:33,780
well yeah we see this is this is the

2500
02:00:40,040 --> 02:00:37,530
reason why I'm asking is that Paola has

2501
02:00:43,610 --> 02:00:40,050
been researching and been a part of this

2502
02:00:47,240 --> 02:00:43,620
community since 1979

2503
02:00:47,810 --> 02:00:47,250
that's four decades for that's four

2504
02:00:51,080 --> 02:00:47,820
decades

2505
02:00:54,770 --> 02:00:51,090
right right and and her knowledge she

2506
02:00:58,540 --> 02:00:54,780
has interviewed and been with witnesses

2507
02:01:02,919 --> 02:00:58,550
from just about all of the continents

2508
02:01:07,700 --> 02:01:02,929
military private sector contactees

2509
02:01:13,160 --> 02:01:07,710
abductees pilots witnesses she's she's

2510
02:01:15,680 --> 02:01:13,170
been around it all right and well and

2511
02:01:18,140 --> 02:01:15,690
when you hear from somebody like that

2512
02:01:21,290 --> 02:01:18,150
and it's rare right somebody that has

2513
02:01:23,840 --> 02:01:21,300
been around for four decades all the way

2514
02:01:25,700 --> 02:01:23,850
back to J Allen Hynek you know and and

2515
02:01:27,620 --> 02:01:25,710
and going through all of this it's

2516
02:01:31,040 --> 02:01:27,630
important to hear from her and take her

2517
02:01:32,689 --> 02:01:31,050
perspective isn't it oh absolutely I was

2518
02:01:34,970 --> 02:01:32,699
interested in the Italy thing with their

2519
02:01:37,459 --> 02:01:34,980
contests and hanging out for a few years

2520
02:01:41,090 --> 02:01:37,469
you know with us and all that I find

2521
02:01:44,840 --> 02:01:41,100
that fascinating and what why do you

2522
02:01:49,130 --> 02:01:44,850
think it is you know I asked Paul of

2523
02:01:51,890 --> 02:01:49,140
this earlier but why is it that you can

2524
02:01:54,320 --> 02:01:51,900
go to any other country just go to any

2525
02:01:55,970 --> 02:01:54,330
other country and they are going to be

2526
02:01:59,590 --> 02:01:55,980
open about it the government's the

2527
02:02:02,810 --> 02:01:59,600
military people on the street are open

2528
02:02:04,399 --> 02:02:02,820
to the UFO subject but here in the

2529
02:02:05,959 --> 02:02:04,409
United States it seems like we're in

2530
02:02:07,550 --> 02:02:05,969
lockdown what's that what's the

2531
02:02:10,640 --> 02:02:07,560
difference but the cultures around the

2532
02:02:14,450 --> 02:02:10,650
world why why are they open about it and

2533
02:02:16,850 --> 02:02:14,460
we are not what's going on I'm not

2534
02:02:19,520 --> 02:02:16,860
specifically sure I know Europe there a

2535
02:02:22,310 --> 02:02:19,530
lot especially the young people but

2536
02:02:24,320 --> 02:02:22,320
there's even like a pagan type Celtic

2537
02:02:26,240 --> 02:02:24,330
music a little bit amongst the young

2538
02:02:27,860 --> 02:02:26,250
people in Europe as well which did I

2539
02:02:31,910 --> 02:02:27,870
find interesting as well I'm into that

2540
02:02:33,500 --> 02:02:31,920
myself so yeah I saw some reason they

2541
02:02:35,479 --> 02:02:33,510
didn't thinking one might know there

2542
02:02:37,570 --> 02:02:35,489
seems for some reason I don't know was

2543
02:02:41,300 --> 02:02:37,580
some type of suppression going on here

2544
02:02:42,500 --> 02:02:41,310
and and I you know and I'm specifically

2545
02:02:46,189 --> 02:02:42,510
talking about the men

2546
02:02:50,029 --> 02:02:46,199
Oh Terry I remember talking to Leslie

2547
02:02:53,029 --> 02:02:50,039
Kane about this where her focus well

2548
02:02:55,669 --> 02:02:53,039
it's changed lately because of TTS a in

2549
02:03:01,520 --> 02:02:55,679
the Pentagon but her focus was always

2550
02:03:03,589 --> 02:03:01,530
going down to Chile Argentina Brazil and

2551
02:03:06,979 --> 02:03:03,599
meeting with the military in the Air

2552
02:03:10,459 --> 02:03:06,989
Force and the Navy and and speaking

2553
02:03:12,410 --> 02:03:10,469
about this because they were open they

2554
02:03:14,390 --> 02:03:12,420
would let her come in and sit down and

2555
02:03:15,649 --> 02:03:14,400
talk to the military about this but that

2556
02:03:18,290 --> 02:03:15,659
doesn't go down here in the United

2557
02:03:21,680 --> 02:03:18,300
States military

2558
02:03:24,500 --> 02:03:21,690
interesting thought now maybe we're

2559
02:03:28,729 --> 02:03:24,510
being all hurted maybe to serve like

2560
02:03:29,959 --> 02:03:28,739
dumb let's say military drones you know

2561
02:03:32,149 --> 02:03:29,969
we want to be kind not too much

2562
02:03:33,680 --> 02:03:32,159
information just what we need you know I

2563
02:03:36,439 --> 02:03:33,690
didn't go out and do it they want us to

2564
02:03:38,899 --> 02:03:36,449
do maybe who knows yeah I agree with you

2565
02:03:40,520 --> 02:03:38,909
Joe it's very interesting well thank you

2566
02:03:45,040 --> 02:03:40,530
so much and thank you for the phone call

2567
02:03:55,839 --> 02:03:48,589
right right on thank you Joe gobekli

2568
02:03:58,339 --> 02:03:55,849
tepe and speaking about Brazil there

2569
02:04:02,439 --> 02:03:58,349
there was an island off the coast of

2570
02:04:05,319 --> 02:04:02,449
Brazil that and and a beach that had the

2571
02:04:07,970 --> 02:04:05,329
craziest couple of years of contact

2572
02:04:10,609 --> 02:04:07,980
military roles in the town they

2573
02:04:14,810 --> 02:04:10,619
videotape they document they talk about

2574
02:04:16,490 --> 02:04:14,820
it if our military doesn't do that all

2575
02:04:18,259 --> 02:04:16,500
right and certainly wouldn't talk about

2576
02:04:22,220 --> 02:04:18,269
it and bring in a team of investigators

2577
02:04:26,209 --> 02:04:22,230
to to live amongst everybody and and go

2578
02:04:27,620 --> 02:04:26,219
through this it's weird like the only

2579
02:04:30,080 --> 02:04:27,630
country that doesn't do that hi you're

2580
02:04:32,509 --> 02:04:30,090
live on fade to black who's calling hey

2581
02:04:34,160 --> 02:04:32,519
this is Matt from Wednesday man so how's

2582
02:04:38,089 --> 02:04:34,170
it going everybody hey Matt how you

2583
02:04:39,470 --> 02:04:38,099
doing man oh you know every single time

2584
02:04:40,879 --> 02:04:39,480
listened to your show there's always

2585
02:04:44,779 --> 02:04:40,889
something more insightful on it I'm

2586
02:04:47,209 --> 02:04:44,789
telling you I love my job can you get me

2587
02:04:49,609 --> 02:04:47,219
off speaker Matt oh sure I think I'm

2588
02:04:51,259 --> 02:04:49,619
sorry yeah what's that give me a second

2589
02:04:54,799 --> 02:04:51,269
here there we go

2590
02:04:55,910 --> 02:04:54,809
yeah much better for the audience for

2591
02:05:01,040 --> 02:04:55,920
the audience

2592
02:05:02,660 --> 02:05:01,050
what I was listening to the last couple

2593
02:05:06,740 --> 02:05:02,670
of nights funny that you called in I I

2594
02:05:09,800 --> 02:05:06,750
didn't bring this up earlier but I was

2595
02:05:12,860 --> 02:05:09,810
listening to a couple of physicists a

2596
02:05:15,709 --> 02:05:12,870
couple nights in a row talked about the

2597
02:05:18,400 --> 02:05:15,719
definitions of quantum theory in quantum

2598
02:05:22,450 --> 02:05:18,410
mechanics right quantum physics and

2599
02:05:26,090 --> 02:05:22,460
there is one of the most interesting

2600
02:05:28,790 --> 02:05:26,100
statements so profound

2601
02:05:31,040 --> 02:05:28,800
that is made about quantum physics is

2602
02:05:34,640 --> 02:05:31,050
this now talk about science fiction I

2603
02:05:37,669 --> 02:05:34,650
talk about the weirdness of it all the

2604
02:05:41,180 --> 02:05:37,679
craziest science fiction movie that you

2605
02:05:45,800 --> 02:05:41,190
can think of is not as crazy as this

2606
02:05:50,300 --> 02:05:45,810
statement from a physicist which is once

2607
02:05:58,900 --> 02:05:50,310
you observe something once you observe

2608
02:06:02,209 --> 02:05:58,910
it you immediately it goes into multiple

2609
02:06:04,520 --> 02:06:02,219
universes of multiple worlds and is

2610
02:06:06,700 --> 02:06:04,530
existing in different states at the same

2611
02:06:12,080 --> 02:06:06,710
time now

2612
02:06:16,400 --> 02:06:12,090
this is part of quantum physics this is

2613
02:06:20,479 --> 02:06:16,410
part of the math this is what they

2614
02:06:26,000 --> 02:06:20,489
believe that's the craziest statement

2615
02:06:28,580 --> 02:06:26,010
anybody could make right imagine as soon

2616
02:06:30,890 --> 02:06:28,590
as I look at you there are now infinite

2617
02:06:34,010 --> 02:06:30,900
versions of you existing as soon as I

2618
02:06:39,979 --> 02:06:34,020
look at you there are now millions of

2619
02:06:42,320 --> 02:06:39,989
you now right I can I can see it right

2620
02:06:43,669 --> 02:06:42,330
now like I can see in my head if I'm

2621
02:06:45,860 --> 02:06:43,679
sitting there laying laying down on the

2622
02:06:48,350 --> 02:06:45,870
floor staring at the ceiling right now I

2623
02:06:51,229 --> 02:06:48,360
can see all possibly there's like

2624
02:06:53,000 --> 02:06:51,239
millions of options that this whole just

2625
02:06:55,070 --> 02:06:53,010
this basic conversation can go down

2626
02:06:56,689 --> 02:06:55,080
right now that's right we speak that's

2627
02:06:58,310 --> 02:06:56,699
right now it's just like in the matrix

2628
02:07:01,220 --> 02:06:58,320
yeah we had that a guide to talks for

2629
02:07:02,840 --> 02:07:01,230
the Great Architect and you see them you

2630
02:07:04,910 --> 02:07:02,850
know all the different versions of neo

2631
02:07:07,220 --> 02:07:04,920
when they walk around and the television

2632
02:07:08,730 --> 02:07:07,230
show a and the any pics and they zoom

2633
02:07:10,080 --> 02:07:08,740
into one and that was a

2634
02:07:14,190 --> 02:07:10,090
the options that they take it's

2635
02:07:18,870 --> 02:07:14,200
literally like that right it's literally

2636
02:07:21,480 --> 02:07:18,880
like that and you know it makes sense to

2637
02:07:23,460 --> 02:07:21,490
me you know the way d-wave works you

2638
02:07:24,210 --> 02:07:23,470
know you just you just can't have that I

2639
02:07:25,830 --> 02:07:24,220
don't know

2640
02:07:27,780 --> 02:07:25,840
I keep arguing with a lot of other

2641
02:07:30,330 --> 02:07:27,790
people that take physics and stuff I'm

2642
02:07:32,940 --> 02:07:30,340
like I'm sorry buddy but this technology

2643
02:07:34,740 --> 02:07:32,950
just can't work unless you accept some

2644
02:07:38,460 --> 02:07:34,750
of this that's it

2645
02:07:41,760 --> 02:07:38,470
there is no other way see I'm holding up

2646
02:07:46,860 --> 02:07:41,770
to the camera a pen cap and I'm holding

2647
02:07:50,760 --> 02:07:46,870
it up in my left hand okay right now as

2648
02:07:55,620 --> 02:07:50,770
I do that there is another version of me

2649
02:07:58,320 --> 02:07:55,630
that held it up in my right hand and

2650
02:07:59,670 --> 02:07:58,330
that is quantum physics right there

2651
02:08:02,010 --> 02:07:59,680
there's also that yeah there's also

2652
02:08:07,380 --> 02:08:02,020
another version of you that didn't hold

2653
02:08:08,970 --> 02:08:07,390
it up at all maybe grab two pens there's

2654
02:08:11,790 --> 02:08:08,980
another version of you that's never even

2655
02:08:16,520 --> 02:08:11,800
had me not even call in at all and it's

2656
02:08:20,940 --> 02:08:16,530
crazy the math says it is so the

2657
02:08:24,450 --> 02:08:20,950
equations say that this is how it is and

2658
02:08:26,190 --> 02:08:24,460
and I there are physicists walking

2659
02:08:30,300 --> 02:08:26,200
around on this planet right now that

2660
02:08:33,480 --> 02:08:30,310
speak this language and it's crazytown

2661
02:08:36,330 --> 02:08:33,490
to everybody else but this is what they

2662
02:08:38,220 --> 02:08:36,340
do this is what they study yeah and I've

2663
02:08:39,900 --> 02:08:38,230
gotta do a lot of fights with a lot of

2664
02:08:42,330 --> 02:08:39,910
physicists to believe not a better young

2665
02:08:43,950 --> 02:08:42,340
ones and say I don't believe any of this

2666
02:08:45,720 --> 02:08:43,960
it can't happen because he can't prove

2667
02:08:47,190 --> 02:08:45,730
it and I'm like well you want to look at

2668
02:08:49,890 --> 02:08:47,200
proof look at your own technology that

2669
02:08:51,540 --> 02:08:49,900
you're working with you know explain to

2670
02:08:53,550 --> 02:08:51,550
me how some of this stuff can work the

2671
02:08:59,640 --> 02:08:53,560
way that it does and be invented in the

2672
02:09:00,030 --> 02:08:59,650
way that it was both ways you can't you

2673
02:09:04,350 --> 02:09:00,040
can't

2674
02:09:07,620 --> 02:09:04,360
once they there is this is this is this

2675
02:09:09,240 --> 02:09:07,630
is the most insane part about all of it

2676
02:09:11,130 --> 02:09:09,250
physics and science and quantum physics

2677
02:09:13,040 --> 02:09:11,140
quantum mechanics quantum theory

2678
02:09:18,270 --> 02:09:13,050
whatever however you want to look at it

2679
02:09:22,050 --> 02:09:18,280
once they assemble the final and

2680
02:09:24,680 --> 02:09:22,060
certainly with observation in and

2681
02:09:27,930 --> 02:09:24,690
five experiments but once they assemble

2682
02:09:32,010 --> 02:09:27,940
the math and the equations that get to

2683
02:09:34,730 --> 02:09:32,020
quantum measurement and are able to show

2684
02:09:38,430 --> 02:09:34,740
that all of this is an actual reality

2685
02:09:41,280 --> 02:09:38,440
that is that is the shift on this planet

2686
02:09:45,110 --> 02:09:41,290
that is when everybody here goes into

2687
02:09:48,810 --> 02:09:45,120
another direction all of it everything

2688
02:09:51,600 --> 02:09:48,820
every single science fiction crazy movie

2689
02:09:56,130 --> 02:09:51,610
teenagers from outer space all of that

2690
02:09:59,700 --> 02:09:56,140
is real everything everything changes on

2691
02:10:01,560 --> 02:09:59,710
that day and we're getting close you

2692
02:10:03,540 --> 02:10:01,570
know what else is really interesting

2693
02:10:06,530 --> 02:10:03,550
that he should mention that one big

2694
02:10:10,560 --> 02:10:06,540
statement now I just had a conversation

2695
02:10:13,550 --> 02:10:10,570
with one of my buddies I guess I talked

2696
02:10:16,950 --> 02:10:13,560
you through you know IRC and things and

2697
02:10:19,140 --> 02:10:16,960
we talked about listen this is

2698
02:10:21,630 --> 02:10:19,150
definitely a simulated reality but you

2699
02:10:23,460 --> 02:10:21,640
can't you can't get around it and you

2700
02:10:25,020 --> 02:10:23,470
know it's like okay so what would be the

2701
02:10:26,760 --> 02:10:25,030
proof would be the evidence of it and

2702
02:10:28,530 --> 02:10:26,770
I'm like well before you could go into

2703
02:10:32,370 --> 02:10:28,540
the evidence you must first understand

2704
02:10:35,400 --> 02:10:32,380
why you know like I for instance I took

2705
02:10:37,440 --> 02:10:35,410
this I work with a software called

2706
02:10:39,180 --> 02:10:37,450
multi-sim and all t board these our

2707
02:10:42,480 --> 02:10:39,190
software is designed to make circuit

2708
02:10:45,150 --> 02:10:42,490
boards and make circuits and I can put

2709
02:10:47,250 --> 02:10:45,160
millions of dollars for the circuitry in

2710
02:10:49,380 --> 02:10:47,260
a computer program and screw it right up

2711
02:10:51,480 --> 02:10:49,390
and make it all go haywire and make it

2712
02:10:53,730 --> 02:10:51,490
all catch fire and then there's some

2713
02:10:55,260 --> 02:10:53,740
rather than go out and get the money to

2714
02:10:58,050 --> 02:10:55,270
buy all the components and build it and

2715
02:11:02,040 --> 02:10:58,060
see what happens in so what I'm doing is

2716
02:11:05,370 --> 02:11:02,050
I'm taking my experience of what I've

2717
02:11:08,010 --> 02:11:05,380
learned in that virtual reality and I am

2718
02:11:11,490 --> 02:11:08,020
applying its successes and failure into

2719
02:11:13,200 --> 02:11:11,500
this reality so that I can apply this

2720
02:11:16,800 --> 02:11:13,210
technology in a better and more

2721
02:11:19,830 --> 02:11:16,810
efficient way so if you look at what we

2722
02:11:21,420 --> 02:11:19,840
are if this is a simulated reality then

2723
02:11:23,790 --> 02:11:21,430
we would have to be taking the

2724
02:11:26,850 --> 02:11:23,800
experience of being a human and applying

2725
02:11:29,400 --> 02:11:26,860
it to another level somewhere else so

2726
02:11:31,110 --> 02:11:29,410
why can I say this well you know there's

2727
02:11:34,860 --> 02:11:31,120
so many different pieces of evidence

2728
02:11:35,850 --> 02:11:34,870
that that seem to point to this like you

2729
02:11:38,130 --> 02:11:35,860
know for instance like

2730
02:11:39,780 --> 02:11:38,140
about an atom of hydrogen or sorry I

2731
02:11:41,250 --> 02:11:39,790
bought its electron and the universe

2732
02:11:44,880 --> 02:11:41,260
seems to want to correct it just like a

2733
02:11:46,560 --> 02:11:44,890
computer you know there's ones and zeros

2734
02:11:47,640 --> 02:11:46,570
and like if you look at all the atoms in

2735
02:11:49,320 --> 02:11:47,650
the universe it looks like there's

2736
02:11:52,080 --> 02:11:49,330
something there or there's something not

2737
02:11:53,790 --> 02:11:52,090
it looks like binary now if you go back

2738
02:11:55,830 --> 02:11:53,800
to the whole you know I said with the

2739
02:11:57,510 --> 02:11:55,840
error correction well that's how I CPI P

2740
02:11:59,460 --> 02:11:57,520
works you know the internet connection

2741
02:12:00,990 --> 02:11:59,470
for your computer somewhere along the

2742
02:12:03,120 --> 02:12:01,000
way if I'm here to look at the bunker

2743
02:12:04,320 --> 02:12:03,130
cam that there is going to be damaged

2744
02:12:05,850 --> 02:12:04,330
packets that go all the way to

2745
02:12:08,400 --> 02:12:05,860
California and the computer has to

2746
02:12:10,530 --> 02:12:08,410
choose whether to destroy the packet and

2747
02:12:12,420 --> 02:12:10,540
request a new one or figure out a way to

2748
02:12:14,550 --> 02:12:12,430
introduce repair that's right and then

2749
02:12:16,650 --> 02:12:14,560
one other thing that really and then and

2750
02:12:18,330 --> 02:12:16,660
that's not even a strange thing yet you

2751
02:12:21,180 --> 02:12:18,340
know I explained what about the

2752
02:12:24,030 --> 02:12:21,190
frequencies in vacuum that seem to match

2753
02:12:26,160 --> 02:12:24,040
the exact same electrical harmonics as

2754
02:12:29,160 --> 02:12:26,170
your mind when you achieve a REM sleep

2755
02:12:30,740 --> 02:12:29,170
pattern you know somewhere along there

2756
02:12:33,630 --> 02:12:30,750
it looks like there's some sort of

2757
02:12:36,840 --> 02:12:33,640
subconscious information exchanged into

2758
02:12:41,190 --> 02:12:36,850
some sort of cloud and you can't deny

2759
02:12:44,610 --> 02:12:41,200
that because it's right there so yeah

2760
02:12:47,430 --> 02:12:44,620
fascinating and the other part about

2761
02:12:48,810 --> 02:12:47,440
this I've only got 15 seconds left Matt

2762
02:12:53,070 --> 02:12:48,820
and I want to thank you for the phone

2763
02:12:57,800 --> 02:12:53,080
call but is that if we were able to go

2764
02:13:01,640 --> 02:12:57,810
from one of these realities to another

2765
02:13:04,530 --> 02:13:01,650
could we come back and the answer is no

2766
02:13:07,680 --> 02:13:04,540
there's too many it's infinite right you

2767
02:13:08,970 --> 02:13:07,690
can jump and the reality is so close to

2768
02:13:11,820 --> 02:13:08,980
the one that you just left

2769
02:13:14,370 --> 02:13:11,830
you wouldn't even know if you made the

2770
02:13:16,920 --> 02:13:14,380
jump you would know if you swapped

2771
02:13:20,610 --> 02:13:16,930
realities and you wouldn't be able to

2772
02:13:24,000 --> 02:13:20,620
look back the new reality is the same

2773
02:13:26,910 --> 02:13:24,010
reality as the one you left you wouldn't

2774
02:13:29,970 --> 02:13:26,920
notice the difference you're just in a

2775
02:13:32,370 --> 02:13:29,980
new experience one where I held the pen

2776
02:13:32,850 --> 02:13:32,380
cap with the right hand instead of the

2777
02:13:35,190 --> 02:13:32,860
left

2778
02:13:36,900 --> 02:13:35,200
but in that reality it was in the right

2779
02:13:38,640 --> 02:13:36,910
hand and not the left and I wouldn't

2780
02:13:40,380 --> 02:13:38,650
know the difference and going back

2781
02:13:43,350 --> 02:13:40,390
wouldn't make a difference and that's

2782
02:13:44,880 --> 02:13:43,360
the fascinating part for me Matt thank

2783
02:13:45,420 --> 02:13:44,890
you so much man and we'll see you

2784
02:13:48,360 --> 02:13:45,430
tomorrow night

2785
02:13:49,739 --> 02:13:48,370
no problem compact leaves happy buddy go

2786
02:13:51,419 --> 02:13:49,749
back Lee tappy

2787
02:13:53,609 --> 02:13:51,429
that's what I'm talking about let's get

2788
02:13:57,539 --> 02:13:53,619
out of here tomorrow night right here on

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02:13:59,699 --> 02:13:57,549
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2790
02:14:01,169 --> 02:13:59,709
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2791
02:14:03,629 --> 02:14:01,179
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02:14:05,999 --> 02:14:03,639
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